Part 3: Was I forthright? (Quickbooks)

The QuickBooks Calls

Part 3 of 4

  1. The Checks, QuickBooks, and the Motive
  2. The Checks (Claims 1-7)
  3. The QuickBooks Calls (Claims 8-14) (you are here)
  4. The Money (Claim 15)

Part 3 answers the State’s claims about my two calls to QuickBooks on February 8 and 9, 2010, the voicemail, and Det. Hanke’s QuickBooks evidence. Part 1 has the timeline and what I told the investigators, and when.

Claim 8 of 15

“On February 8 he tried to cancel and delete QuickBooks to get rid of the checks.”

What the State said

Mr. Imes told the jury what he claimed the February 8 QuickBooks activity meant: I canceled the account online, found the data was still there, and called QuickBooks to get rid of it and “put it on a desktop, where no one can find it”: (RT 8220:19-8221:10)

But what’s also important there? At 2:44, there’s a phone call to QuickBooks or Intuit — I’m sorry. Strike that.
There’s an online activity to Intuit QuickBooks to cancel QuickBooks. And then all of a sudden, someone goes back in and logs in and goes, oh, wait, I can create more checks. Wait, there’s more info there, it didn’t go away when I canceled it. So then at 3:11, there’s a call to QuickBooks Intuit. I want to cancel. I want to cancel QuickBooks, a program that I used — if you are Joseph McStay — for years to track his business. How does that make sense other than it’s the defendant doing it, considering those calls to QuickBooks came from the defendant’s phone?
The only reasonable interpretation of that is he tried to cancel it online, realized, oh, crud, it didn’t work, it doesn’t delete the information, the account is still there — because as you were told, it stays in the cloud. So he called QuickBooks, hey, I need to cancel this. I need — I need to get rid of it. I need to put it on a desktop, where no one can find it.
See the trial transcript (RT 8220-8221, Mr. Imes)Trial transcript, page 8220Trial transcript, page 8221

In rebuttal, Ms. Rodriguez told the jury the defense could have called the February 8 representative, that I “impersonated” Joseph on the 9th, and that I wanted the custom account deleted because I had forged checks in it: (RT 8428:6-8429:14)

Read the full passage
And the story keeps changing from the defense. They talked to you about calling the witness from the 8th, Sean Augustine. Well, guess what? The defense had every opportunity to call Sean Augustine. They didn’t call him.
They called Annette Dron who absolutely had nothing to do with this case. She was a supervisor she didn’t make notes on the 8th, she didn’t make notes on the 9th. The other thing that they don’t explain to you is that why in the world, on the 9th, when the defendant calls QuickBooks and pretends to be Joseph McStay — and we know that because Ryan baker told you we captured the phone number, and it’s the defendant’s phone number. We know he identifies himself as Joseph McStay because you have master administrator to do anything on that account.
So he impersonates Joseph McStay and calls QuickBooks and says, I want to delete the information. That’s is so important in this case, ladies and gentlemen, and I’ll tell you why. Because when you go back and you look at the records — and I think I have a slide that shows this a little bit later — and you go back and you listen to the testimony of Mike West, Mike west tells us on the 8th, on the custom side, somebody canceled the subscription and tried to delete it. And what did Mike West tell us?
That does not delete the information. So when he signs back in 10 minutes later, it’s reinstated. And we’ll talk about the testimony and you will be able to look at that and see it. Why in the world is anybody going to delete their company with pending jobs in it? How are you going to get that information. There’s no evidence that he tried to delete the EIP side, just the custom side, two separate accounts. The custom side is the one that’s associated with the defendant, and he needed that side deleted because he took checks and forged them and then deleted them from the account and realized, wait, I can’t delete these checks.
These are still up here in the cloud. Crap. I’m going to have order a new version, or I’m going to have to call them and say I need it deleted. That’s why he impersonated Joseph McStay and tried to delete the QuickBooks accounts.
See the trial transcript (RT 8428-8429, Ms. Rodriguez)Trial transcript, page 8428Trial transcript, page 8429

She went back to Mike West’s testimony about the 2:44 cancellation: (RT 8429:27-8430:15)

This was the testimony that we heard from Mike West: If the user actually cancels and they say — let’s say, I’m at home, and I go on to my computer, and I want to cancel my account, is that information when — without me calling in, is that going to be deleted? And the Court says. Well, what information are you asking about?
And then I clarified, it’s the data that I put in. If I cancel my subscription online, it tells you, you can’t add new data to it, but it’s not going to delete it. It’s still there. So when we see the activity on the 8th, from the customer side of the account that starts at 2:44, look at that exhibit on the custom side, the account is canceled and 10 minutes later it’s reinstated, because he realizes he can’t get rid of the data that way. And the defense just completely forgets about that, just ignores that, because, you know what, we pick and choose the facts that we like, and we ignore the ones that we don’t like.
See the trial transcript (RT 8429-8430, Ms. Rodriguez)Trial transcript, page 8429Trial transcript, page 8430

My answer

I canceled the subscription at 2:44, reactivated it at 2:54, and canceled it again after the call with Baker the next morning. I assumed this would at least temporarily keep Dan at bay.

Then I called QuickBooks. I told the representative I wanted to transfer the online account to QuickBooks Pro. I ordered Pro on Joseph’s card, asked that it be sent to Joseph, and asked them to send Joseph the instructions for moving his data. That is what the record shows: a Pro order on Joseph’s card in Joseph’s name, a case asking how to move the data to Pro, and the export instructions sent to Joseph’s own e-mail, the address I always used with him. When I got off the phone I called Joseph and left him a message.

I didn’t download Pro, and I don’t know who did. As I understand it, that had to be done from Joseph’s e-mail. The order went to the San Clemente address on the order, Joseph’s old address. Only the backup disc went there and came back. Even if it had reached his real address, Joseph wasn’t there to use it.

I told my lawyers the same thing in 2017: on the 8th I asked QuickBooks not only how to transfer the information but also how to delete the old account afterward, so that Dan Kavanaugh would no longer have access (What I gave counsel). As I remember it, and as I wrote my lawyers in 2017, only about seven of the 107 minutes on that call were spent talking. The rest of the time I was on hold.

Putting it on a desktop is exactly what I asked for. Moving the books to QuickBooks Pro keeps every record. Joseph would have had all of it, and Dan would have had none of it. That is a copy, not a deletion.

What the State already knew

My February 17, 2010 notes, read aloud by DuGal: “Quickbooks on-line. Decide to delete and start Quickbooks Pro 2010. Credit card for purchasing Quickbooks.” DuGal’s report says I made “these transactions two or three days after February 4, 2010” (What I told them, and when).

The record

This is the day the State leaned on hardest. Here it is in order, from the activity log of the custom QuickBooks account, Intuit’s records and my phone record:

  • 2:15 p.m.: someone signed in to the custom account. The log lists every sign-in under “Joseph McStay,” whoever it was; Det. Hanke agreed at trial that it doesn’t show who was at the computer (Claim 14).
  • 2:20 p.m.: I wrote the last check, $6,500 to me, “saudi arabia final,” dated February 4, and printed it. It was deleted at 2:25. I deposited it the next day at Bank of America.
  • 2:44 p.m.: the subscription was canceled, online, from inside the account. No call to QuickBooks had been made yet.
  • 2:52 and 2:53 p.m.: signed in again. 2:54: “Subscribed,” ten minutes after the cancellation. 3:04: signed out.
  • 3:05 to 3:10 p.m.: short calls from my phone to directory assistance and to toll-free numbers (items 9151-9158). There were no calls from my phone between 1:55 and 3:05.
  • 3:11 p.m.: I called QuickBooks at 1-800-446-8848. The call lasted 107 minutes 25 seconds and ended at about 4:58 (item 9159). From 3:29 to 3:51, during the call, the custom account was signed into again.
  • That day, QuickBooks Pro 2010 was ordered, as a download with a backup disc, order SBL37682110: $182.62 on Joseph’s MasterCard ending 6175, billed and shipped to Joseph McStay, with Joseph’s Hotmail address on the order (INT 000004). Intuit later told Det. DuGal the order was taken by phone, and that the program was downloaded once, that afternoon (Claim 9).
  • 5:01 p.m.: I called Joseph and left him a message, 52 seconds (item 9163).
  • 5:05 p.m., seven minutes after the call ended: a support case was opened in Joseph’s name, case 1846639, owner Shawn Augenstein. The case record says it was created “By: Customer.” Its question: “i want to transfer data from qb online to qbs pro 2010, need help” (INT 000035).
  • 6:15 to 6:16 p.m.: Augenstein e-mailed Joseph, at JOSEPHMCSTAY69@HOTMAIL.COM, the instructions for exporting his QuickBooks Online data. They include this line: “Also, export does not cancel your subscription.” (INT 000036)
See the QuickBooks activity log, custom account (page 2 of 5)QuickBooks activity log, custom account, page 2 of 5 (February 5-14, 2010)
See Exhibit 794 (AT&T page 374, February 8)Exhibit 794, AT&T page 374
See the QuickBooks Pro order (INT_MCSTAY000004)Intuit order SBL37682110, February 8, 2010, INT_MCSTAY000004
See case 1846639 and the export e-mail to Joseph (INT_MCSTAY000035-36)Intuit case 1846639, INT_MCSTAY000035Intuit case 1846639, export instructions e-mailed to Joseph, INT_MCSTAY000036

Mike West, Intuit’s investigator, was asked by Ms. Rodriguez whether canceling online deletes anything: (RT 3994:11-3995:7, February 13, 2019)

Read the full exchange
Q AND NOW, IF A USER ACTUALLY CANCELS AND THEY DO IT — LET’S SAY I’M AT HOME, AND I GO ONTO MY COMPUTER; I WANT TO CANCEL MY ACCOUNT. IS THAT INFORMATION IF I DO THAT WITHOUT CALLING IN AND ASKING FOR IT TO BE DELETED, IS THAT INFORMATION — IF I CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION, IS THAT INFORMATION DELETED FROM THE ACCOUNT?
THE COURT: IS WHAT INFORMATION DELETED?
BY MS. RODRIGUEZ:
Q IT’S ALL OF THE DATA THAT I PUT IN. IF I CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION — I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE IN TERMS OF CANCELING A SUBSCRIPTION VERSUS DELETING A SUBSCRIPTION. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO?
A WHEN ONE CANCELS A SUBSCRIPTION, IT BASICALLY PREVENTS YOU FROM ADDING NEW INFORMATION TO IT. IT’S STILL ACCESSIBLE, BUT YOU CAN’T ADD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE SUBSCRIPTION — TO THE INFORMATION. IT’S STILL AVAILABLE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AFTER THE CANCELLATION OR IN THE EVENT YOU WANT TO REACTIVE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON. THE DATA IS STILL THERE. WE DON’T DELETE THAT DATA UPON CANCELLATION.
Q OKAY. WHEN WE SEE THAT ACTIVITY ON THE 8TH THAT STARTS AT 2:44 P.M. IN THE AFTERNOON AND THE ACCOUNT IS CANCELED, AND THEN IT’S REINSTATED 10 MINUTES LATER, IS THE DATA STILL IS THERE WHEN I REINSTATE — WHEN THE ACCOUNT IS REINSTATED 10 MINUTES LATER?
A YES, IT IS.
See the trial transcript (RT 3994-3995, Mike West)Trial transcript, page 3994Trial transcript, page 3995

On recross, West agreed the data can be moved from online to desktop. Asked whether a desktop version was ordered, he didn’t know. It was, that same day, on Joseph’s card (INT 000004): (RT 3995:14-3996:22)

Read the full exchange
Q WHAT WE JUST SAW, THE CANCELLATION OF THE SUBSCRIPTION ON THE BILLING PART OF THE EXHIBIT 808, WHICH WAS THE CUSTOM ACCOUNT. WOULD IT BE COMMON TO CANCEL AN ONLINE SUBSCRIPTION IF YOU WERE SWITCHING TO THE DESKTOP VERSION?
MS. RODRIGUEZ: OBJECTION. SPECULATION.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
BY MR. MALINE:
Q IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT QUICKBOOKS OFFERS IS A DESKTOP VERSION OF THIS QUICKBOOKS?
A YES.
Q OKAY. AND IF I GET THE — CAN I TRANSFER MY DATA FROM THE ONLINE — MY ONLINE ACCOUNT TO MY DESKTOP VERSION?
A YES, YOU CAN.
Q OKAY. NOW I’M OPERATING MY DESKTOP VERSION; RIGHT?
A CORRECT.
Q OKAY. DO I NEED MY ONLINE VERSION ANYMORE?
A I GUESS THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU.
Q PROBABLY WOULDN’T NEED IT THOUGH; RIGHT? COMMON THING WOULD THEN BE AFTER THE TRANSFER IS DONE TO THEN CANCEL THAT SUBSCRIPTION?
MS. RODRIGUEZ: OBJECTION. SPECULATION.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
BY MR. MALINE:
Q IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH QUICKBOOKS, HAVE YOU SEEN PEOPLE, ONCE THEY TRANSFER ALL OF THEIR DATA TO THE DESKTOP VERSION, CANCEL THEIR ONLINE SUBSCRIPTION?
MS. RODRIGUEZ: OBJECTION. SPECULATION.
THE COURT: SUSTAINED ON BACKGROUND AS WELL AS RELEVANCY AS TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE MAY DO.
BY MR. MALINE:
Q DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IN THE — IN THIS CASE WITH THE CUSTOM ACCOUNT, WHETHER THE DESKTOP VERSION WAS REQUESTED OR ORDERED?
A I DON’T.
See the trial transcript (RT 3995-3996, Mike West)Trial transcript, page 3995Trial transcript, page 3996

What Intuit told San Diego in 2011

In May 2011 DuGal called Intuit. Intuit told him the Pro order was a phone order: (recorded call, May 11, 2011, p. 12:3-23)

DETECTIVE DUGAL: Did this order come via e-mail, or did it come via telephone call?
MR. JUDE: Let me check for the information. Okay?
DETECTIVE DUGAL: Yeah. I’m betting it’s a telephone call. And if it’s a telephone call, what I’d be interested in is the phone number for that telephone, because I don’t show — I have his phone records.
MR. JUDE: Uh-huh.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: And I don’t have a phone call coming from any of his telephones to you guys.
MR. JUDE: Uh-huh. I do understand.
As I’m checking, I am not sure if I can pull up the phone number that has been used to purchase this one. But definitely this is a phone call transaction.
Because we only have here three options on how to purchase the software. This, for the first one, is through a phone call. And if it has been made through a phone call, the order number starts with “SBL.”
See the recorded call (p. 12)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 12

Earlier in that call, looking only at the two support cases, Dron had said they had nothing to do with the desktop order: (p. 41:22-25)

DETECTIVE DUGAL: Is that who ordered it?
MS. DRON: Well, see, this is — this has nothing to do with that Desktop order. This is just somebody calling in about their QuickBook Online company —
See the recorded call (p. 41)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 41

Later, when DuGal put the call, the e-mails and the Pro order together for her, Intuit’s supervisor said, “maybe he was just trying to get the data”: (p. 49:14-21)

DETECTIVE DUGAL: But going back that — that phone call from Chase or — his name is Charles, but he goes by Chase.
MS. DRON: Yes.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: That was on the same day that all these e-mails and purchasing of Pro happened?
MS. DRON: Yes. So maybe he was just trying to get the data, you know.
See the recorded call (p. 49)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 49

At the end of the call, DuGal called it “the biggest lead I’ve had in a long time,” then said it “may have absolutely been normal business,” and that normal business was “just as likely, if not more likely than anything else”: (pp. 57:5-58:1)

MS. DRON: Yeah. And it may have just been normal business possibly.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: It may have absolutely been normal business. And it may — based on the fact that that business partner called you guys, it absolutely could have just been him verifying — you know, whatever.
If Joseph told Chase, hey, give these guys a call, make sure this is coming through, whatever. I don’t have any idea —
MS. DRON: Yeah.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: — of how that works, but — but it may be that simple.
MS. DRON: Yeah.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: And right there is your reason it’s difficult to get a court order, by the way. Because that’s just as likely, if not more likely than anything else.
See the recorded call (pp. 57-58)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 57Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 58

DuGal told me in June 2011 that he had seen QuickBooks ordered “under Joseph’s money, Joseph’s name” from my phone, that he called me to “resolve that,” and “we did”: (recorded call, June 21, 2011, p. 36:6-11)

DUGAL: Just like Quick Books all of a sudden you know I’m like awe yeah there’s you know here’s somebody ordering Quick Books under Joseph’s money, Joseph’s name, it’s Chase’s phone I’m sure it’s Chase I gotta call Chase I gotta resolve that
MERRITT: Yeah
DUGAL: And we did but those issues come up and
See the recorded call (June 21, 2011, p. 36)San Diego recorded call with Chase Merritt, 2011-06-21, page 36

In a recorded call on May 12, 2011, Annette Dron, a QuickBooks supervisor, described the February 8 activity to DuGal this way: (Dron call, May 12, 2011, p. 5:1-12, as I copied it)

DRON: “And it just looks to me like they were going to move the QuickBooks online to desktop, which people do constantly, or go back and forth, you know?”
“So, that’s what it kind of looks like, because — because he’s saying that — you know, right at the time they ordered the desktop version, then we get this ‘Can someone move my data from online to pro?’
So — and that’s not really — I mean, people do that all the time. And — but then, for whatever reason, they never cancelled the QuickBooks online company.”
See my copy (Folder F, tab 9HH)My 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9HH

Listen (recording of the May 12, 2011 call, about 1:35 to 3:03):

The transcript of this call isn’t available to me, but the recording is. The words above are as I copied them from the transcript in 2017; the clips are from the recording.

By “the QuickBooks online company,” she means the account itself, which was never closed. The subscription was canceled and reactivated on February 8 and canceled again on February 9, as the activity log shows.

What Dron told the jury

Mr. Maline called Annette Dron as a defense witness on April 16, 2019. She told the jury the same thing she had told DuGal.

On the February 8 request: (RT 6252:11-17)

Q (BY MR. MALINE:) And did you — what — what else did you tell Detective Dugal about the QuickBooks online account regarding the first transaction on February 8th?
A I told him that someone had requested that — export data and that that wasn’t unusual. It’s one of our most frequent questions, was to export data from QuickBooks online to QuickBooks Pro.
See the trial transcript (RT 6252)Trial transcript, page 6252, April 16, 2019

Asked whether moving to Pro, then canceling, then deleting was unusual (her “Yes” answered a question put as “uncommon”; Mr. Maline’s next question takes it as “not uncommon,” and her reasons follow): (RT 6253:27-6255:1)

Read the full exchange
Q Was it uncommon for somebody that had QuickBooks online to request QuickBooks Pro?
A No.
Q That happened all the time?
A Yes.
Q Okay. Was it uncommon for a person who did that switch from QuickBooks online to QuickBooks Pro to then cancel their QuickBooks online?
MS. RODRIGUEZ: Objection. Speculation.
THE COURT: Overruled. She can answer.
THE WITNESS: Yes.
Q (BY MR. MALINE:) And why would that be? Why would that be not uncommon?
A Well, for the same reasons where someone may be canceling a subscription, they don’t want to pay for the subscription, they want to back up their data. We — QuickBooks online didn’t have all the features that QuickBooks Pro had, so sometimes they found that the online version wouldn’t work for them, and they wanted to go back and use something they’re more comfortable with. There are many, many reasons.
Q Okay. And would customers also not only cancel their QuickBooks online subscription, but would they also ask that that information be deleted?
A Yes.
MS. RODRIGUEZ: Objection. Speculation.
THE COURT: Overruled.
THE WITNESS: Yes.
Q (BY MR. MALINE:) And why would that be?
A I don’t — I don’t remember a whole lot, but it was a pretty common thing. And most of the time it was because they just didn’t feel comfortable with their data online at that time.
See the trial transcript (RT 6253, 6254, 6255)Trial transcript, end of page 6253, April 16, 2019Trial transcript, page 6254, April 16, 2019Trial transcript, page 6255, April 16, 2019

On what she reported back to him: (RT 6255:14-21)

Q (BY MR. MALINE:) Did you report back to Detective Dugal, your review of the materials?
A Yes.
Q And what did you tell Detective Dugal about this transaction?
A I — I couldn’t find anything that looked out of the ordinary from the — the cases that I could see. It was all normal — normal behavior.
See the trial transcript (RT 6255)Trial transcript, page 6255, April 16, 2019

On cross-examination, Ms. Rodriguez asked about deleting a company before its data was moved: (RT 6269:25-6270:6)

Q And so if that data had not yet been transferred, would it be a little bit more unusual to have somebody requesting to delete an entire company without transferring the data?
A People didn’t always transfer the data and then delete, but it would be more unusual.
Q Well, if somebody wasn’t looking to go out of business and was looking to keep their company, it would be a little bit unusual to delete jobs that you were in the middle of; right?
A Correct. Unless you had another one — some people had two and then they asked for one to be deleted.
See the trial transcript (RT 6269, 6270)Trial transcript, page 6269, April 16, 2019Trial transcript, page 6270, April 16, 2019

She also said it wasn’t unusual to ask to delete a company, and conceded the limit of what she had looked at: (RT 6269:5-12)

Q So when you told Detective Dugal that you didn’t necessarily notice anything unusual, that was based only on the phone calls; is that correct — the screens that you reviewed with Counsel?
A Anything unusual, yes. It wasn’t anything unusual for someone to call and ask to export data or cancel a company or delete a company, is what I was —
Q Okay. There was a call —
A — referencing.
See the trial transcript (RT 6269)Trial transcript, page 6269, April 16, 2019

That last answer is Joseph’s situation exactly. She gave it as a general answer, though: she didn’t remember there being two companies (RT 6271:16-18). She also had no direct information and took neither call (RT 6267:23-6268:5), didn’t go into the activity logs or look at whether checks were written and deleted (RT 6273:21-27), and agreed she had told DuGal it would be unusual for someone to give the master administrator’s phone number if they weren’t the master administrator (“Yes, I believe the transcript is correct,” RT 6275:26-6277:1). He had two QuickBooks Online companies, the main account and the custom account. The custom account was the one Joseph was to delete himself once the books had been moved to Pro. That is why I had Pro sent to him and asked QuickBooks to e-mail him the instructions, and the request went no further than Baker’s e-mail.

What the jury never heard, in the trial transcripts I have, was the rest of the call: DuGal telling her I had never mentioned calling QuickBooks, calling me a bad guy, and saying what he hoped I would say (Claim 12). The recording was never played, and DuGal was never asked about it.

What the detective told the court about February 8

At the preliminary hearing, Hanke testified the 2:44 cancellation was done on a phone call, and the February 9 cancellation at 8:06: (prelim RT 116:1-21)

Q What was that?
A At 2:44 P.M., it stated the user canceled QuickBooks online subscription.
Q Do you know if that was done via phone call or online?
A It was through a call-intake center. It was done on a phone call.
Q And did you review the defendant’s cell phone records from that date, February 8th, 2010?
A Yes, I did.
Q At around that time, was there a phone call to QuickBooks online?
A Yes, there was.
Q And how long does that, how long did that call last?
A The phone call lasted 107 minutes.
Q The next day, February 9th, was there any other activity on the QuickBooks account?
A Yes.
Q And what happened on February 9th, based on your review of the records?
A At 8:06, 08:06 A.M., it stated: “The user again cancelled QuickBooks online subscription.”
See the preliminary hearing transcript (p. 116)Preliminary hearing transcript, page 116

None of that is what the records say. The activity log shows the 2:44 cancellation made by someone signed in to the account, and Intuit’s Mike West testified a user can cancel online without calling (RT 3993:10-13). My phone record shows no calls at all between 1:55 and 3:05, and the call to QuickBooks began at 3:11. The February 9 cancellation was at 8:16, after Baker’s contact ended at 8:13 (the timeline).

Eight days before my October 22, 2014 interview, Hanke’s own report on the QuickBooks records did the same thing. It pasted in the activity log rows and my phone record, and said the 107-minute call was “at similar times” to the 2:44 cancellation. It also says the February 9 cancellation was at 8:06; the row pasted under it says 8:16: (Bates 000589, report dated October 14, 2014)

• 2:44 pm- User Joseph McStay cancelled QuickBooks Online Subscription.
*Note- QuickBooks customer service had record on February 8, 2010 of “Joseph McStay,” with the phone number of (909)374-0102, which is Charles Merritt’s cell phone number, calling to upgrade QuickBooks, transfer account information, and delete the account. Merritt’s cell phone records show a 107 minute call to QuickBooks customer service at similar times.
February 9, 2010:
• 8:06 am- User Joseph McStay again cancelled QuickBooks Online Subscription.
See Det. Hanke’s report (Bates 000589)Det. Hanke report, Bates 000589

That note puts the February 9 request on the February 8 call. Intuit’s record of February 8 asks only to move the data to Pro (INT 000035). The request to delete is in Baker’s notes of February 9 (INT 000033).

What Det. Bachman swore

San Bernardino Det. Bachman put the February 8 and 9 calls in his sworn warrant affidavits. In 2017 I copied these passages by hand for my lawyers from his phone-tap affidavit (Folder F, tabs 9K-9M). Substantially the same passages, with some added wording, are in his search warrant for Joseph’s Hotmail account, SBSW15-1211, sworn June 19, 2015. This is that warrant.

First, what he said I admitted: (SBSW15-1211, SW&A page 7, Bates 028871)

“Investigators determined 76 checks, #4161-4235, were still missing and believed to have last been taken by Merritt when he forged the other checks that were deposited. In addition, Merritt’s cellular phone records showed he spoke with the Intuit Corporation, who manufactures the QuickBooks financial program, for over 100 minutes on February 8th 2010, prior to anyone knowing the McStay family was missing. Merritt later admitted he tried to change the QuickBooks account and stated Joseph McStay instructed him to make the changes, though Merritt did not attempt to conduct the changes until days after their meeting and Merritt claimed he had already lost contact with Joseph McStay.”
See the warrant (Bates 028871)Bachman search warrant SBSW15-1211, SW&A page 7, Bates 028871

Then what he said Intuit’s notes showed: (SBSW15-1211, SW&A pages 7-8, Bates 028871-028872)

Read the full passage
“Investigators authored a search warrant to Intuit Corporation for the QuickBooks records they had concerning EIP and for all documentation of the notes, contacts, emails, and customer service contacts concerning EIP. On September 9th 2014, investigators received the documentation from service of the search warrant. The records showed customer service representatives documented their contacts with EIP and wrote notes concerning phone calls they received. The notes coincided with Merritt’s cellular call detail records, first showing his phone call on February 8th 2010, which lasted over 100 minutes. The customer service notes showed a phone call received from a person identifying themselves as, ‘Joseph McStay.’ The notes showed a change in the phone number associated to the QuickBooks account information, changing it from Joseph McStay’s cellular phone number to Merritt’s cellular phone number. The notes also showed a request to change the account to an updated version of QuickBooks.
Instructions were later emailed to JOSEPHMCSTAY69@HOTMAIL.COM, with the same instructions on how to transfer the business account information.
The customer service notes also documented a phone call on September 9th, 2010, received from, ‘Joseph McStay.’ This phone call also coincides with a phone call placed by Merritt and documented on Merritt’s cellular call detail records, showing he called Intuit on the same date. The customer service notes showed a request for customer service to delete EIP’s business account information and delete the previous request to transfer the business account information. The customer service representative sent an email to EIP’s business email, different from the one listed above, with specific instructions on how to authorize the deleting of the businesses’ account. Intuit needed an email with specific information to delete the business accounts, including the master administrator log on and password. Intuit never received the appropriate information and never deleted the business account information.”
See the warrant (Bates 028871-028872)Bachman search warrant SBSW15-1211, SW&A page 7, Bates 028871Bachman search warrant SBSW15-1211, SW&A page 8, Bates 028872

And then his conclusion: (SBSW15-1211, SW&A page 8, Bates 028872)

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“The customer service notes and emails from Intuit leads investigators to believe Merritt did contact Intuit as he stated in his original interview with SDSO investigators. Merritt did try to transfer EIP’s business accounts like he stated in his interview, but changed the contact information to his own cellular telephone number. Merritt was unable to transfer the account information on February 8th 2010 and on February 9th 2010, Merritt called Intuit to delete his attempt at conducting the account transfer by requesting the business account to be deleted. These requests all occurred prior to anyone knowing the McStay family was missing and after investigators believe the family was murdered. Investigators believe Merritt’s actions are more consistent with him attempting to conceal any record of him making the fraudulent checks by using EIP’s QuickBooks program and later cashed for thousands of dollars. This is further supported because Merritt’s contact with Intuit is just prior to contacting Joseph McStay mother, Susan Blake, and alerting her that Joseph McStay was missing.”
See the warrant (Bates 028872)Bachman search warrant SBSW15-1211, SW&A page 8, Bates 028872
See the warrant’s affidavit page, signed by Det. Bachman (SBSW15-1211, Bates 028866)Bachman search warrant SBSW15-1211, SW&A page 2, Bates 028866
See my 2017 handwritten copy of the phone-tap affidavit (Folder F, tabs 9K-9M)My 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9KMy 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9LMy 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9M

“Later admitted”: the same affidavit says I contacted Intuit “as he stated in his original interview with SDSO investigators.” That was February 17, 2010, nine days after the call. There was nothing to admit later. I had said it first.

“Did not attempt to conduct the changes until days after their meeting”: I told DuGal that myself, in that first interview: I bought QuickBooks Pro “two, three, or four days after February 4th” (What I told them, and when). And I hadn’t stopped trying to reach Joseph: I called him after the February 8 call and four more times on February 9 (Claim 13).

“Intuit never received the appropriate information and never deleted the business account information.” That is Bachman, under oath. Nothing was deleted, and no one ever answered Baker’s e-mails (Claim 9).

The phone number: nothing in the Intuit records shows it changed to mine on the account. My cell, (909) 374-0102, is on Intuit’s record of the February 8 case as the number the contact came from, because I was the one dealing with QuickBooks that day (INT 000034). That’s all it is. The contact records for Joseph’s QuickBooks accounts still list his cell, (949) 295-7451 (INT 000024-000027).

“Unable to transfer”: the transfer instructions were e-mailed to Joseph at 6:15 that evening (INT 000036); the warrant itself says instructions were e-mailed. Moving the data was left for Joseph to do.

“To delete his attempt at conducting the account transfer”: Baker’s notes of the February 9 contact say nothing about canceling a transfer. They say the user was going to cancel and, when he did, needed the account deleted (INT 000033, Claim 9).

“To conceal any record of him making the fraudulent checks”: moving the books to QuickBooks Pro keeps every record (above). And the step that would have erased anything, answering Baker’s e-mail, was never taken, as Bachman’s own warrant says.

The warrant dates the second call “September 9th, 2010.” The call was February 9, 2010 (Exhibit 794, item 9167). My 2017 copy of the phone-tap affidavit has the same mistake, so it is his, not mine.

See Intuit’s phone record for case 1846639 (INT_MCSTAY000034)Intuit, phone information on case 1846639, INT_MCSTAY000034
See the contact records for the custom account (INT_MCSTAY000024-000027)Intuit contact record, INT_MCSTAY000024Intuit contact record, INT_MCSTAY000025Intuit contact record, INT_MCSTAY000026Intuit contact record, INT_MCSTAY000027

Fact check

  • Mr. Imes: “At 2:44, there’s a phone call to QuickBooks.” He corrected himself in front of the jury. Hanke told the preliminary hearing the same thing under oath and didn’t (prelim RT 116). My phone shows no calls at all from 1:55 to 3:05.
  • Mr. Imes: “I need to put it on a desktop, where no one can find it.” That is what I asked for: a desktop copy that keeps every record.
  • Ms. Rodriguez: West “tells us on the 8th … somebody canceled the subscription and tried to delete it.” West never said anyone tried to delete anything. He said canceling deletes nothing (RT 3994-3995).
  • Hanke’s report: the 107-minute call was “at similar times” to the 2:44 cancellation (Bates 000589). It began 27 minutes later.
  • Ms. Rodriguez: Dron “absolutely had nothing to do with this case.” Dron was the QuickBooks supervisor DuGal himself interviewed in May 2011. At his request she looked over the February 8 and 9 calls (“I don’t remember, specifically, but I did look at calls”) and reported back to him (RT 6243:3-6244:13).
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Claim 9 of 15

See the trial transcript (RT 6243, 6244)Trial transcript, page 6243, April 16, 2019Trial transcript, page 6244, April 16, 2019

“The February 9 call proves a guilty mind. Baker said only fraudsters ask to delete their records without a copy.”

What the State said

About the February 9 call, Mr. Imes told the jury no one with an innocent reason would delete a business’s records and order a new QuickBooks, and that Joseph would have changed the shipping address: (RT 8222:25-8223:11)

And that takes us to February 9th. February 9th, at 7:34 a.m., is the first phone activity for the defendant since 6:31 the night before. And it’s immediately at 8:06 a.m. that there’s a call to QuickBooks, logging his telephone number, asking to delete the account. And remember, Ryan Baker’s testimony, it needs to be deleted. Why would Joseph McStay or someone with innocent intent need to delete the business records for a business that’s been around for years? There is no reasonable evidence, based on reason, for a defendant needing to delete QuickBooks and order a new one? No reason based on the evidence, at all.
Joseph could have gone to the store and bought the desktop version. You would have to believe, by the way, that Joseph was not attentive enough to change his shipping address when he ordered it from San Clemente to Fallbrook.
See the trial transcript (RT 8222-8223, Mr. Imes)Trial transcript, page 8222Trial transcript, page 8223

The case summary put Baker’s notes on a phone call at 2:44 p.m. on February 8: (Bates 000024)

“On February 8, 2010, at 1444 hours, Intuit QuickBooks received a phone call from (909) 374-0102 (Merritt’s cell phone) and the caller identified himself as Joseph McStay. The caller wanted to upgrade QuickBooks, transfer the account information and delete the account. The QuickBooks representative, Ryan Baker, noted the caller said he was going to cancel the account, but when he cancelled, he “NEEDS” this (the account records) to be deleted. The caller was advised an email was sent to master administrator on how to permanently delete the account records.”
See the State’s case summary (Bates 000024)Case summary, Bates 000024

And it gave Baker an opinion about fraud: (Bates 000025)

“Baker specifically remembered the telephone call and felt something was not normal with the call. Baker claimed this was the reason he entered the customer service notes in the fashion he did. Baker felt only someone acting inappropriately or fraudulently would ask for the records to be deleted and not ask for some sort of copy of the records. In all the calls Baker handled, he dealt with very few who asked for and was as adamant as the caller was to have the records deleted.”
See the State’s case summary (Bates 000025)Case summary, Bates 000025

My answer

The second call was only to find out how to get the old online account deleted once the data had been moved to Pro. Nothing was being hidden. If the online records were left there, Dan would use them against Joe. I didn’t repeat the transfer request to Baker; I had made it the day before.

The two calls used different e-mail addresses because they were about different things. The first was a request for instructions to be sent to Joseph, at the e-mail I always used with him. The second was about the custom account itself, and Baker said QuickBooks asks callers for “the e-mail that the business is associated to” (Baker interview, p. 30:22-24).

I had access to Joseph’s e-mail, and to his QuickBooks sign-in. After the call on the 8th I checked his e-mail to make sure the instructions had been sent, and saw that the ones for deleting the old account hadn’t come; that is why I called again on the 9th. I never used his e-mail to write to anyone. Baker’s e-mails made it clear that a reply with the master administrator’s request was all it would take to delete the account. I could have answered it. I never did, and nothing was deleted. I was getting it arranged for Joseph to finish when he came back: the download, and the final deletion of his old account.

What the State already knew

Hanke knew about the February 8 call and the Pro order before he interviewed Baker; he had put them in his search warrant two months earlier. In the interview itself he described that call as “to purchase the account and transfer” (Baker interview, p. 37).

The record

  • 7:34 a.m.: I called QuickBooks at 1-800-286-6800. The call lasted 42 minutes 56 seconds, ending at about 8:17 (item 9167).
  • 8:06 to 8:13 a.m.: Ryan Baker’s contact, case 1847012, on the custom account (custom@earthinspiredproducts.com). His notes: “Contacted: User advised that he is going to cancel,… but when he cancels he NEEDS this to be deleted… explained as long as he is the MMA will send the email he can respond to…” (INT 000033). MMA means the master administrator.
  • 8:14 and 8:15 a.m.: signed in. 8:16: the subscription was canceled.
  • Baker e-mailed custom@earthinspiredproducts.com asking for the master administrator’s written request to delete the account, then followed up twice: once that afternoon and a final time a few days later. No one answered any of them, and nothing was deleted (Baker, RT 3741-3742, 3759:24-3760:14; Bates 007469-007470).
  • I called Joseph at 8:56 a.m. (2 minutes 3 seconds), 9:17 (55 seconds), 12:22 p.m. (1 minute 4 seconds) and 1:07 p.m. (37 seconds). That 1:07 call was my last call to Joseph (items 9171-9179).
See Baker’s notes, case 1847012 (INT_MCSTAY000033)Intuit case 1847012, Ryan Baker notes, INT_MCSTAY000033
See the QuickBooks activity log, custom account (page 2 of 5)QuickBooks activity log, custom account, page 2 of 5 (February 5-14, 2010)
See Exhibit 794 (AT&T page 375, February 9)Exhibit 794, AT&T page 375

What Baker wasn’t told

Det. Hanke wrote the search warrant to Intuit two months before he interviewed Baker. It asked for the recorded calls about the QuickBooks Pro order, “especially” the 107-minute call on February 8: (search warrant sworn August 21, 2014, Attachment A, item 4)

“4. Any and all recorded customer service calls regarding Order #SBL37682110, phone number (909) 374-0102, especially on February 8, 2010, at 1511 hours for a duration of 107 minutes and 25 seconds.”
See the search warrant (Attachment A)Search warrant to Intuit, sworn August 21, 2014, Attachment A

At trial he confirmed he knew of both calls when he spoke to Baker: (RT 4054:5-15, February 14, 2019)

Q Now, you had information, when you spoke to him that there were two calls that were made to QuickBooks, do you recall that?
A Yes.
Q And what were the dates of those two calls?
A The first call was February 8th, 2010.
Q And do you remember the approximate time of that call?
A I don’t recall the time, no.
Q Okay. And when was the next call made?
A The next call was made the next day, February 9th, 2010.
Q And do you recall the time of that call?
A I’m sorry, I don’t recall the time.
See the trial transcript (RT 4054, Det. Hanke)Trial transcript, page 4054

Hanke asked Baker how often he got calls like this. Baker said four or five in five years, and described them. He did not use the word fraud, here or anywhere in the interview. At trial he called the call “very unusual” and said “it’s very, very, very highly unlikely that you would get a phone call where someone is just very demanding to have it removed from the system, itself. People want to protect it, not get rid of it.” Of the three or four such calls he had seen, “most of the time, it would have to do with, you know, another business owner or someone being — not having access anymore, someone who had been fired from the business” (RT 3738:25-3739:17). His words in the interview: (Baker interview, p. 24:2-17)

DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay. And during that five-year period, how many phone calls were similar to that? Because I can imagine you get a lot of the same kind of questions, the same, how do I download this? How do I — you know, that type of thing.
I mean, in your experience, I mean, how often did you deal with this?
MR. BAKER: Four or five, not very many. And when we did have those type of phone calls, as you can probably think, most of them are, you know, business partners that have gone awry; somebody wanting to, you know, take that data for some reason; or someone trying to avoid having IRS, you know, get the company information.
DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay.
MR. BAKER: Not very common for us.
See the Baker interview (p. 24)Interview of Ryan Baker, October 24, 2014, page 24

Then Hanke asked whether the caller talked about a transfer. Baker said what made the call stick out was that the caller didn’t ask for a copy, and that a request for a copy would have been in his notes. The copy is what had been asked for the day before. Hanke didn’t tell him that: (pp. 24:18-25:17)

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DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay. So it’s not a common thing that people were calling in and wanting completely to erase the account.
Did they say that they had another QuickBooks account, or something like that, to that effect? I mean, you didn’t put it in the notes. But why — you know, do you remember why the caller said it had to be deleted or transferred?
Did he talk about transfer, or anything like that, with another account? Or just, did you only talk about one specific account?
MR. BAKER: Yeah. It was just that. That’s what makes it stick out in my mind. Because people ask for a copy of their data when that happens. They — they did not ask for a copy. They specifically said they wanted it removed and deleted.
DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay. So didn’t ask for a copy.
And when you do send copies, how — how do they get that data?
MR. BAKER: They’re able to actually download it right from the QuickBooks program. And if they would have asked for that, that would have been in my notes.
DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay.
MR. BAKER: Because there’s steps that they have to follow for that.
See the Baker interview (pp. 24-25)Interview of Ryan Baker, October 24, 2014, page 24Interview of Ryan Baker, October 24, 2014, page 25

A few pages later Hanke asked about other purchases. Baker said there were none. Hanke, who had put the Pro order in his search warrant, said “Okay” and moved on: (p. 30:7-24)

DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay. Were you aware of any other purchases for QuickBooks at all prior to this?
MR. BAKER: There was none.
DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay.
MR. BAKER: There was none.
DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay. And then, let’s see. Okay. So going back to when the person calls in, you put the information in as Joseph McStay at Earth’s Inspired Products.
If — so if I call in and say, my name is Daniel Hanke. What do you do to verify? What — what do you ask? Do you ask last four of Social? Do you ask phone numbers or identifying addresses, or anything like that? Do you guys ask any of those verification questions?
MR. BAKER: We ask for name, e-mail address, and phone number of — phone number of the business and the e-mail that the business is associated to.
See the Baker interview (p. 30)Interview of Ryan Baker, October 24, 2014, page 30

Only near the end, after Baker had given his opinion, did Hanke mention the 8th, and he said it to the Intuit paralegal, Dennis Boulankine. He said the call “wasn’t regarding deleting the account” and was about buying Pro and transferring the account. He did not say it asked for the export instructions, the copy Baker said would have been in his notes: (pp. 37:3-18)

DETECTIVE HANKE: Well, and — and I believe —
And, Dennis, I was going to ask you also. There’s — on the 8th — the same phone number calls on the 8th and requests — and that — there was an actual purchase.
And I was going to talk to you after or — to see if we can get that information of the person — the customer service person taking — taking the phone call on the 8th. It wasn’t Ryan. It was — but it wasn’t regarding deleting the account, either.
It was — it was to purchase the account and transfer. It was regarding purchasing a QuickBooks 10 or the upgrade Pro and then transferring the account.
But I think that might have to be a separate conference call and a separate setup, and we can probably do that later.
See the Baker interview (p. 37)Interview of Ryan Baker, October 24, 2014, page 37

Baker was still on the line. He answered the next question himself: (p. 38:1-7)

MR. BOULANKINE: Shawn Odgenstine (phonetic)?
DETECTIVE HANKE: Yeah, Shawn Odgenstine. That —
MR. BAKER: Shawn Odgenstine.
DETECTIVE HANKE: Yeah.
MR. BAKER: Shawn Odgenstine worked in our Inglewood office in Denver. He is no longer with the company. He hasn’t been with the company since 2010.
See the Baker interview (p. 38)Interview of Ryan Baker, October 24, 2014, page 38

What Hanke wrote, and told the court

Hanke’s report of the interview leaves out the February 8 call and the Pro order entirely. It turns Baker’s “business partners that have gone awry” into fraud: (Bates 007468)

“Baker handles a large volume of calls, usually between 20-30 callers per day. Even with the large amount of calls, Baker remembered this call, because of the unusual request. The call was unusual to Baker, because he had only received the request to delete all files only approximately five (5) times, in five (5) years. Each of those times involved some type of fraudulent activity; such as to avoid the IRS or a dispute between business partners. Most business owners wanted a copy of the account information, prior to cancelling. This caller did not request a copy of the account information. Baker wrote “NEEDS” in all capital letters, because the caller was adamant about deleting the business files. The caller told Baker two (2) to three (3) times the account needed to be deleted. “MMA” stands for master administrator of the account, which in this case was Joseph McStay.”
See Det. Hanke’s report (Bates 007468)Det. Hanke report of Baker interview, Bates 007468

Bachman’s case summary went further, and put Baker’s February 9 notes on a phone call at 2:44 p.m. on February 8 (above). Even so, it describes the caller’s request in the order I made it: he “wanted to upgrade QuickBooks, transfer the account information and delete the account” (Bates 000024). There was no call at 2:44. The 2:44 entry is the online cancellation, and my call to QuickBooks began at 3:11 (the timeline).

At the same preliminary hearing, Hanke told the court the February 9 caller wanted to transfer the account first and then delete it. That is my account of the two calls taken together. It is not what Baker said in the interview, where he said the caller did not ask for a copy (p. 25, above). Hanke knew of both calls and described them as one: (prelim RT 118:18-23)

Q And what else did he tell you about the phone call?
A He said that he wanted to — the caller was identifying himself, saying that he wanted to transfer the account to another account, and then once it was transferred and this subscription was canceled, that he needed to delete all of the accounts.
See the preliminary hearing transcript (p. 118)Preliminary hearing transcript, page 118

January 31, 2019: the court is told the other call will come in

Before Baker testified, the defense told the court his opinion would be wrong once he knew about the day before. Mr. Daugherty, for the prosecution, told the court what Baker was being called for: (RT 3627:2-6)

Additionally, all of these arguments about him being called as business records, custodian, that’s not the case. He’s being called for his customer service call that he took on February 9th from Joseph McStay from a phone number associated with the defendant.
See the trial transcript (RT 3627)Trial transcript, page 3627

Mr. McGee told the court why it mattered: (RT 3637:20-3638:17)

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MR. MCGEE: Because if that’s the case, then there’s additional exhibits that the defense would want to address with the witness that would be under the same, kind of, foundational acceptance as an exhibit because of him being an employee. I think, based on what we know his testimony will be — we, kind of, brought it up in our motion, there’s contradictory information in QuickBooks that will totally change his testimony. And so that would just —
THE COURT: Well, if he was — I mean, he can only testify to things that he was aware of at the time. So if there’s records of additional contacts that he wasn’t aware of, oh, well. I mean, I assume you will bring in that evidence at some point.
MR. MCGEE: I assume part of the testimony — I could be wrong — is that — the fact that someone is calling to ask to delete a file without saving the information was, in his mind, a sign of —
MR. MALINE: Suspicious activity.
MR. MCGEE: — suspicious activity or fraud, and — because that’s all the information he had. His testimony, I assume, will be consistent with his statement, I thought this was fraud. Wherein, the day before, a conversation with another representative, all the parts of the conversation he expected to see occur beforehand that would make it not fraud, occurred the day before with somebody else. So if he’s going to testify and say this was fraudulent —
See the trial transcript (RT 3637-3638)Trial transcript, page 3637Trial transcript, page 3638

The court said Baker’s opinion could only explain why the call stood out to him, and that the defense could show what made it not suspicious had happened the day before: (RT 3638:18-3639:13)

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THE COURT: Well, his — his testimony that it stood out to him because he thought it was fraud, if it was offered to prove that it was fraud, that would be speculation and conclusion on his part. It wouldn’t be admissible for that purpose. The only thing — reason it becomes admissible is, it stood out to him. That — I mean, I assume he get lots of phone calls.
MR. MCGEE: 20 to 30 a day, he said in his statement.
THE COURT: Okay. So, you know, if there’s something that stands out to him, that’s why he remembers it —
MR. MCGEE: That’s what his statement was.
THE COURT: Right. So if it turns out, okay, what would have made it okay, in fact, did occur the day before, well, yeah, if I knew that, then it wouldn’t have stood out, it would have just been a routine call, I wouldn’t even remember right now. But I didn’t know it at the time, so it did stand out to me. That’s the relevance of it.
Now, obviously, you can still bring in the fact that — you know, to rebut the inference that there’s something fraudulent here that — what was — what needed to be done to make it not suspicious, in fact, did occur.
MR. MCGEE: Correct.
THE COURT: But he didn’t know it at the time, so — apparently, he didn’t know it.
See the trial transcript (RT 3638-3639)Trial transcript, page 3638Trial transcript, page 3639

Mr. Imes told the court the other call would come in through other witnesses: (RT 3639:23-3640:2)

MR. IMES: Actually, your Honor, it’s not an issue. Mr. Baker is offered for a very limited purpose, which was that contact, those notes. He has no personal knowledge of any of the transactions contained within EIP QuickBooks, transactions, themselves. He was not aware of the other customer service call. Evidence of that will come in through other competent witnesses. So Mr. Baker’s scope of knowledge and scope of relevant testimony is really limited to that interaction.
See the trial transcript (RT 3639-3640)Trial transcript, page 3639Trial transcript, page 3640

The State never called Shawn Augenstein. In rebuttal, Ms. Rodriguez told the jury the defense could have (Claim 8).

Baker at trial (February 6, 2019)

On direct, Ms. Rodriguez asked Baker whether there were separate instructions for a caller who wanted to keep a copy. Baker brought up the day before himself. She went straight to the e-mail address: (RT 3739:24-3740:13)

Q If the caller had asked you about wanting to make a copy of that information or retaining that information, are there separate instructions that you would provide to that caller?
A Yes, there is. The caller actually — there were notes to the account from the day before of them wanting to be able to use a different version of QuickBooks, and how to be able to get all of that data, and there was notes listed on that from the day prior to that.
Q Was that on the same account or a separate account?
A I believe it was the same account but with another customer service representative.
Q If they had provided the e-mail of JosephMcStay69@hotmail.com, can you tell us if that was the same account?
A It was not. It was not the master administrator e-mail. It was not the same account for that. So it would be listed as a separate, you know, customer — custom user to the account and it would not be a master administrator.
See the trial transcript (RT 3739-3740, Ryan Baker)Trial transcript, page 3739Trial transcript, page 3740

On cross-examination, Mr. Maline asked about the day before. Ms. Rodriguez objected that it was hearsay; the court let Baker answer from the business records: (RT 3753:18-3754:18)

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Q Okay. Now, let me ask you this: When a call comes in to the customer support line, you’re suppose to get a history of what’s happening with that customer; is that correct? Like, in other words, if there’s a call to delete information, like you got a call in this case to have something deleted, now would you have the previous requests from the customer also up on your screen?
A No, sir.
Q Okay. So you don’t know what happened the day before when you were having this phone call; is that correct?
A That’s correct.
Q Now, you got a chance to review the day before’s phone call; correct?
A That’s correct, sir.
Q And that was the request from the same number, but to a different customer support person; correct?
A It was a different support person, yes, sir.
Q And his name was Sean Augustine; correct?
A That’s correct.
Q And the request that was made from — for Sean Augustine was to transfer the existing account, which was online — correct — to QuickBooks Pro, which is a desktop version of QuickBooks?
A That’s correct.
MS. RODRIGUEZ: Objection. Hearsay. Assumes facts not in evidence.
THE COURT: Overruled. He can answer based on the business records.
Q (BY MR. MALINE:) Mr. Baker, is that correct?
A Yes, sir, that’s correct.
See the trial transcript (RT 3753-3754, Ryan Baker)Trial transcript, page 3753Trial transcript, page 3754

Baker agreed that moving from online to desktop means exporting the data, that Intuit removed the online data after about 90 days anyway, and that on the 9th he didn’t know about the request the day before: (RT 3755:23-3756:27)

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Q (BY MR. MALINE:) If I want to transfer my data to — from online to the desktop version, I could have instructions on exporting it to my desktop; correct?
A Yes, sir.
Q In fact, when you transfer from online to desktop, you have to export the data; correct?
A That is correct, yes, sir.
Q And let me ask you this, Mr. Baker: What happens to the data — once it’s exported to the desktop, what happens to the data that’s floating in cyberspace with the online version?
A For six years, we — at the time, we kept a back-up copy of the data for about 90 days and then we would remove it from the system.
Q It gets removed anyway; correct?
A Yes, sir.
Q Okay. So — and when people do make that transfer from online to desktop, they ask for instructions on how to delete it, in fact, the QuickBooks software gives them the instructions on how to delete; correct?
A Yes, sir.
Q Because, obviously, it’s being — it’s being converted from an online account to a desktop; correct?
A Well, hard data, yes, sir, but that doesn’t remove the history from our server.
Q Gotcha. But you only keep that for 90 days as a precaution and then it’s deleted by you guys anyway; correct?
A Yes, sir.
Q All right. So let’s — I just want to be clear on what this call was all about on the 9th that you got. You had no information that the call before was a request to transfer from the online to the desktop; correct? You didn’t know that when you were having this phone call on the 9th; correct?
A That’s correct.
See the trial transcript (RT 3755-3756, Ryan Baker)Trial transcript, page 3755Trial transcript, page 3756

He agreed nothing was ever deleted: (RT 3759:24-3760:14)

Q And you indicated there was no reply to the instructions; correct?
A That’s correct.
Q So nothing got done; is that correct?
A That’s correct.
Q Nothing was deleted —
A Correct.
Q Correct. In fact, even the day before, the information on how to export data from online to the QuickBooks Pro, that was never followed through and that was never completed either; correct?
A I was not part of that case, that was handled by another agent, Sean Augustine.
Q At the end of the day, you sent off instructions on how to do something and those instructions were never replied to; correct?
A Correct.
Q And no one ever deleted anything; correct?
A Correct.
See the trial transcript (RT 3759-3760, Ryan Baker)Trial transcript, page 3759Trial transcript, page 3760

On redirect, Ms. Rodriguez asked whether, knowing about the 8th, he still found the call unusual: (RT 3769:6-10)

Q Okay. Knowing that a phone call came in for a transfer of data on the 8th, and then still receiving that phone call on the 9th, asking for a deletion of data, do you still find that call to be unusual on the 9th?
A Yes, ma’am, very.
See the trial transcript (RT 3769, Ryan Baker)Trial transcript, page 3769

Mr. Maline came back to Hanke’s “any other purchases” question. Baker said that before the interview he was aware of the earlier call but knew no specifics, and did not know it was a request for help moving to Pro: (RT 3776:20-3777:16)

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Q And Detective Hanke asked you: Were you aware of any other purchases for QuickBooks, at all, prior to this — meaning your February 9th conversation?
A Right.
Q And you said there was none?
A I was not aware of any other purchases.
Q Okay. So you weren’t — you weren’t — you didn’t think Detective Hanke’s question pertained to any other transactions at all, or you were just thinking about purchases?
A I was — was asked — answered the question given to me.
Q Gotcha. All right.
A I’m not sure what — what you mean. But if he asked if there was any — if I was aware of any other conversations about it, then I would have still said no, because purchases, I also — no. No, sir.
Q Okay. And you don’t remember right now whether you were aware — when you were interviewed by Detective Hanke, whether you knew there was this prior conversation on the 8th, one day prior to your conversation with the customer?
A I believe before I spoke with Detective Hanke, I was aware, but I did not know any specifics or anything of that nature.
Q And you didn’t know whether it was a transfer from — a request for help on a transfer from QuickBooks online to QuickBooks Pro, you didn’t know those specifics; correct?
A No, sir.
See the trial transcript (RT 3776-3777, Ryan Baker)Trial transcript, page 3776Trial transcript, page 3777

Mr. Maline asked why the State called Baker and not Augenstein. The objection was sustained: (RT 3778:3-6)

Q Do you know, Mr. Baker, why the District Attorney’s Office would call you as a witness and not Mr. Augustine, also?
MS. RODRIGUEZ: Objection. Improper. Argumentative.
THE COURT: Sustained.
See the trial transcript (RT 3778, Ryan Baker)Trial transcript, page 3778

The court asked the last questions. If the same customer had called the day before with the same e-mail, Baker would have seen it. He didn’t: (RT 3780:14-23)

Q Okay. If that same customer had called the day before, using the same name, same phone number, same e-mail — Custom@Earthinspiredproducts.com, with a different request, would that have popped up on your screen on the February 9th call?
A The same screen would have popped up, but there also would have been the record of the call the day before associated to the same e-mail.
Q Okay. But that did not happen on the February 9th call; is that right?
A That is correct. That did not happen.
See the trial transcript (RT 3780, Ryan Baker)Trial transcript, page 3780

Baker first told the jury, “I believe it was the same account but with another customer service representative.” Only when the State asked about the e-mail address did he say it was “not the same account.” That is the State’s answer to the February 8 call: a different e-mail address. It was the same caller and the same phone number, a day apart, about the same thing: getting Joseph’s data off QuickBooks Online and onto Pro. The first call asked for the copy; the second asked about deleting what was left. Baker only ever saw the second.

The e-mail nobody answered

This is how I put it to my lawyers in 2017: (my QuickBooks conclusions, pp. 10-11, Folder F)

Read the full passage
“When I made the call on the 8th, I not only requested information on how to transfer the information, but also how to delete the old account afterward so that Dan Kavenaugh would no longer have access. I then checked Joseph’s E-mail to make sure this information was sent. While checking this, I came to the realization that they hadn’t sent the information on how to delete the account. On February 9th, I again called QuickBooks to have them send this additional information, informing Ryan Baker that when we did get this info transferred that we “NEEDED” to Delete the records on the old account. He subsequently sent that information to Joseph’s E-mail.
My access to Joseph’s E-mail has been clearly documented throughout discovery as well as the access codes for QuickBooks. In Ryan Baker’s E-mail to Joseph, He makes it very clear that a reply to that E-mail is all that was necessary to completely delete the QuickBooks account. However the reply never happened, even though, as SBCSO Detectives state, my intention was to hide my activity on the account.
The fact is, even though I had every opportunity to make this information go away, I didn’t do so. A fact that Detectives somehow overlook.
The reason it didn’t get deleted is because I was simply getting it arranged for Joseph to finish upon his return.”
See my notes (QuickBooks conclusions, pages 10-11)My QuickBooks conclusions for counsel, 2017, page 10My QuickBooks conclusions for counsel, 2017, page 11

When the court denied my motion for a new trial in January 2020, it said the same thing about the e-mail: (RT 8946:2-10)

THE COURT: “And then we know that Mr. Merritt contacted Intuit and indicated that he wanted the account and all of the data deleted.
And the individual thought that was rare — rarely happened. Defense presented someone, if they were switching from one form to another and maybe that would be reasonable. But at any rate, Mr. Baker sent e-mail instructions to Joseph’s e-mail of what need to be done to accomplish that and it was never done.”
See the trial transcript (RT 8946)Trial transcript, page 8946

“It was never done.” If I had been covering my tracks, the last step was one reply away, from an e-mail account I could get into. I never took it.

Dron told the jury the same about Baker’s e-mail: (RT 6280:5-14)

Q … Do you know whether or not someone actually deleted it at QuickBooks, meaning somebody responded and then it got deleted by QuickBooks?
A So from the e-mails, you could tell that no one responded to Ryan Baker. I have no information if that happened later.
Q Okay. So as far as you know, the information that you have, nothing was ever — not only not deleted, but no one even responded to the instructions that Mr. Baker sent?
A As far as I know, yes.
See the trial transcript (RT 6280)Trial transcript, page 6280, April 16, 2019

After February 9: who was in Joseph’s QuickBooks

My last call to Joseph was at 1:07 p.m. on February 9. After that, someone kept signing in to the custom account as “Joseph McStay”: on February 14 from 1:12 to 4:38 p.m., many times; February 15 at 10:21 p.m.; February 16 from 7:35 to 7:42 a.m.; and then May 19, 24 and 27, June 1, July 14 and 15, August 4, September 15, and September 30, 2010, when the account was resubscribed. None of them were me. (Activity log, pages 1-2)

See the QuickBooks activity log, custom account (page 1 of 5)QuickBooks activity log, custom account, page 1 of 5

Dan had access, and DuGal knew it. He told Intuit in 2011: (recorded call, May 11, 2011, pp. 47:23-48:2)

DETECTIVE DUGAL: — a web master for — for the company. But he was also a business partner. And I know he had access to QuickBooks for a fact because he’s the one who first gave me Joseph’s QuickBooks stuff.
See the recorded call (pp. 47-48)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 47Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 48

Dan admitted to San Bernardino that after Joseph disappeared he went into QuickBooks and “maybe entered some transactions into it,” “probably like five days later.” He was describing the main account, not the custom one, but it shows he was in Joseph’s books: (Kavanaugh interview, September 20, 2014, pp. 146:19-147:22)

Read the full exchange
DETECTIVE HANKE: So you have access to Quick Books. And when — when did you go onto Quick Books?
So you have access the whole time. And then did you go into Quick Books and do anything? Did you change anything? Delete anything? Add anything?
MR. KAVANAUGH: I didn’t delete anything or really change anything. I just went in and wanted to see what — what is going on here.
DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay.
MR. KAVANAUGH: You know what I mean?
DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay. At any time —
MR. KAVANAUGH: Didn’t send checks from it. Didn’t — maybe entered some transactions into it —
DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay.
MR. KAVANAUGH: — for fountains that were being shipped out right then, that were like already en route or had been paid and were about to be shipped —
DETECTIVE HANKE: Okay.
MR. KAVANAUGH: — from other distributors and manufacturers, just to keep the account balances, as far as like the ledger current and reflective of the business so that sales (inaudible) could all be organized.
DETECTIVE HANKE: How long did you — how long a time frame are we talking that you went in and added those things?
MR. KAVANAUGH: Probably like five days later. It would just be like typing in maybe one or two small transactions.
See the Kavanaugh interview (September 20, 2014, pp. 146-147)Kavanaugh interview, September 20, 2014, page 146Kavanaugh interview, September 20, 2014, page 147

Dan went on, later in the same exchange, to say what he saw happen to the account: (Kavanaugh interview, September 20, 2014, pp. 147:24-148:17)

MR. KAVANAUGH: No — no Paul Mitchell deal. That was all in Chase’s account. There was no Saudi Arabia deal. That was on Chase’s account (inaudible).
I think I went and just created my own Quick Books account that I started from scratch, started recording new transactions.
…
DETECTIVE HANKE: Did you add any journal entries? Did you delete anything?
MR. KAVANAUGH: No.
DETECTIVE HANKE: Did you dispute any charges, or anything like that?
MR. KAVANAUGH: No disputing of charges, no deleting of journal entries, no deleting. He said that he deleted the account. I could see that he had deleted it within a couple days after Joseph had disappeared. An e-mail confirmation (inaudible).
See the Kavanaugh interview (September 20, 2014, pp. 147-148)Interview of Dan Kavanaugh, September 20, 2014, page 147Interview of Dan Kavanaugh, September 20, 2014, page 148

“He said that he deleted the account.” What I told Dan, in February 2010, was that Joseph had told me to delete the online account so Summer wouldn’t see it (What I told them, and when). That was the plan, and I said so.

What actually happened within a couple of days is in the record: the custom account’s subscription was canceled on February 9 (the activity log). Canceling deletes nothing (Mike West, RT 3994-3995). The custom account was never deleted: no one answered Baker’s e-mails, and the deletion “was never done” (Baker, RT 3759-3760; the court, RT 8946). The e-mail Dan describes fits that cancellation. His p. 140 version of the same story says: “Chase had updated both of the passwords and attempted to delete both accounts, I believe. But especially I remember him deleting — it said, your Quick Books account has been deactivated.” On the same page he says that when he found the custom account, “I reset that password. I got in there.”

That isn’t what happened, and the records don’t show it. The passwords were never changed while I had access; Dan changed them later. Nothing in the Intuit records shows any attempt to delete either account. And if Dan had already reset the custom account’s password before February 8 or 9, I couldn’t have gotten in to cancel the subscription.

Dan’s answer also shows something else. He was getting the account’s e-mail notices (p. 140: “So I saw your Quick Books online access has been changed or edited”), and by his own account he went into Joseph’s QuickBooks himself days after Joseph disappeared and entered transactions.

Then the cards. On June 10, 2010, the card on Joseph’s main QuickBooks account was changed from his MasterCard ending 1815 to a MasterCard ending 4743 (INT 000052). That is the card on Dan Kavanaugh’s own QuickBooks order two months later, billed to “dan kavanaugh” in San Diego (INT 000008). On September 30, 2010, at 10:07 a.m., the main account was reactivated with an American Express card ending 6000, billing address 6965 El Camino Real, Encinitas (INT 000051). Four minutes later, at 10:11, the custom account was reactivated too (INT 000048). Intuit told DuGal that “somebody named John Pugsley is paying for it.” My daughter, Taylor Jarvis, an attorney, found through a records search that John Pugsley is Dan’s grandfather.

See Intuit’s account records (INT_MCSTAY000008, 000048, 000051, 000052)Intuit order, August 9, 2010, billed to Dan Kavanaugh, INT_MCSTAY000008Intuit back-end record, custom account, INT_MCSTAY000048Intuit back-end record, main account, INT_MCSTAY000051Intuit back-end record, main account, INT_MCSTAY000052

Dron told DuGal about the card change in 2011: (recorded call, May 11, 2011, pp. 50:1-24)

Read the full exchange
MS. DRON: Yes. Yeah. But there’s still a QuickBooks Online company that’s active, and somebody named John Pugsley is paying for it, so . . .
DETECTIVE DUGAL: John Pugsley is paying for it under this whole —
MS. DRON: For Earth’s Inspired Products.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: — under this whole — oh, under Earth’s Inspired Products.
MS. DRON: Uh-huh. But it has Joseph McStay’s name on it. Somebody’s changed the credit card. It’s been that company for a long time, so . . .
DETECTIVE DUGAL: And when was the credit card changed? Does that show? At that time when he went missing?
MS. DRON: No, not — well, because it wouldn’t — it wouldn’t — you wouldn’t need to change it until it wouldn’t work anymore. So they changed it September 30th, 2010.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: And that’s John Pugsley?
MS. DRON: I don’t know. I can’t tell. It’s been changed a couple times along the road here. And the time before that was June 10th, 2010. And then it — it expired June 18th. No, nothing around that time, though, nothing in February.
See the recorded call (p. 50)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 50

And that whoever did it put the card in online, and it might be the business partner: (p. 51:10-17)

MS. DRON: They can put it in. He put it in himself. He didn’t call us to do it. He — yeah. He’s — they’re work- — somebody is accessing the company and using it, it looks to me like.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: Huh.
MS. DRON: So, you know, I don’t know. You said they have business partners. Maybe it’s the business partner.
See the recorded call (p. 51)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 51

In a later recorded call with DuGal about that card, dated May 24, 2011, Dron said: “And no one cancelled, they just turned off the credit card.” (at about 1:59 in the recording; the clip below starts at 1:35)

Intuit’s records match: the main account went from active to suspended on May 14, 2011 (INT 000051).

Fact check

  • Mr. Imes: “it’s immediately at 8:06 a.m. that there’s a call to QuickBooks … asking to delete the account.” The call began at 7:34. 8:06 is when Baker opened his case (Exhibit 794, item 9167; INT 000033).
  • Mr. Imes told the court the February 8 call would “come in through other competent witnesses” (RT 3639:28-3640:1). The State never called Augenstein, and Ms. Rodriguez then told the jury the defense could have (RT 8428:6-9).
  • The case summary puts Baker’s February 9 notes on a “February 8, 2010, at 1444 hours” phone call. There was no call at 2:44.
  • Hanke’s report says the calls Baker described “involved some type of fraudulent activity.” Baker never used the word fraud; he said “business partners that have gone awry” (Baker interview, p. 24).
  • Baker’s e-mail went to custom@earthinspiredproducts.com, the custom account’s address (Baker, RT 3741:18-20; Hanke’s report, Bates 007469). In my 2017 notes I called it Joseph’s e-mail; it was his business address for that account.
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Claim 10 of 15

“He impersonated Joseph.”

What the State said

Hanke’s report of the Baker interview says the caller was not acting for Joseph: (Bates 007469)

“The caller did not represent himself as anyone other than Joseph McStay. The caller was not acting on behalf of Joseph McStay. Baker would not process any requests for anyone other than Joseph McStay.”
See Det. Hanke’s report (Bates 007469)Det. Hanke report of Baker interview, Bates 007469

Ms. Rodriguez told the jury, “So he impersonates Joseph McStay and calls QuickBooks” (RT 8428:19-20, quoted in full under Claim 8).

My answer

I made both calls, and I used Joseph’s name. QuickBooks would only deal with the account holder, and Joseph gave me permission to. What I asked for on February 8 was what Joseph wanted: his books moved to QuickBooks Pro, on his card, with the instructions sent to him.

When Bachman asked me in 2014, four and a half years later and while I was being pummeled by homicide detectives, I said I didn’t think I had represented myself as Joseph. I never wavered that I made the calls. Which name I gave doesn’t change what the calls were for.

Joseph asked me to make the calls. For quite some time before he disappeared he had been suffering from an equilibrium problem. He suspected his cell phone use was the cause and was trying to cut down on it, and he knew from experience that QuickBooks’ hold times were long. So I made the calls, and left only the download and the final deletion of his old account to him. I told my lawyers this in 2017 (my QuickBooks conclusions, pp. 11-12).

What the State already knew

DuGal knew in 2011 that the order came from my phone, called me, and “resolve[d]” it (Claim 8). I told him then the switch to Pro was to keep Dan out of Joseph’s accounts.

The record

He asked whether I said I was Joseph: (p. 185:1-17)

MR. MERRITT: him. It was sent to his house. I know for a fact it was.
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: It wasn’t sent to his house. It was sent to San Clemente.
MR. MERRITT: It ended up being sent to San Clemente.
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: Why would it be sent to San Clemente?
MR. MERRITT: Apparently, that was the — the last address he had. I assumed that the last address that he had was —
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: Okay. So when you called Quick Books on the 8th, did you say, this is Chase Merritt, and I — I need to order Quick Books? Or did you represent yourself to be Joseph McStay?
MR. MERRITT: I don’t think I represented myself to be Joseph. No.
See my interview (p. 185)Interview of Chase Merritt, October 22, 2014, page 185
See my notes (QuickBooks conclusions, pages 11-12)My QuickBooks conclusions for counsel, 2017, page 11My QuickBooks conclusions for counsel, 2017, page 12

Fact check

  • Baker said QuickBooks verifies a caller by name, phone number and “the e-mail that the business is associated to” (Baker interview, p. 30:22-24, Claim 9). It does not deal with anyone but the account holder.
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Claim 11 of 15

“Joseph had no reason to move QuickBooks, would have fixed the shipping address, and didn’t place that order.”

What the State said

Mr. Imes told the jury there was “no credible evidence” Joseph wanted to move QuickBooks, and that “we know that he didn’t place that order”: (RT 8224:19-8225:5)

You would have to believe that Joe wanted to or would move QuickBooks in the first place. And there is, really, no credible evidence of that. You would have to ignore coincidence or believe that Joe wouldn’t think to update his shipping address for QuickBooks, if he did, in fact, place that order. But we know that he didn’t place that order. We know it came from the defendant’s phone.
You would have to believe that Joe wasn’t the only one with administrator abilities to QuickBooks or had found the ability or password to get into QuickBooks. You would have to believe that the defendant, in some way, had the ability to access Joe’s e-mail. Because remember, what did QuickBooks do? They sent an authorization e-mail to Joseph McStay’s e-mail address that went unanswered. That was probably a step in the covering of his tracks that the defendant didn’t think about.
See the trial transcript (RT 8224-8225, Mr. Imes)Trial transcript, page 8224Trial transcript, page 8225

He said there was “no coincidence” to the QuickBooks activity: (RT 8224:2-8)

There’s no coincidence to this QuickBooks activity, ladies and gentlemen, none, whatsoever. The only innocent explanation requires you to believe that Joe was changing his entire business practice over night and giving control to a person that he was clearly not trusting and attempting to sideline. Is that a reasonable interpretation to that QuickBooks activity? No.
See the trial transcript (RT 8224, Mr. Imes)Trial transcript, page 8224

My answer

Joseph had two reasons, Dan and Summer (Why the jobs were kept from Dan and Summer). He asked me to place the order, and it went on his card, in his name. I placed it by phone on February 8. It went to the San Clemente address on the order, Joseph’s old address. Only the backup disc went there and came back; the program was a download, and Intuit says it was downloaded once, that afternoon.

I didn’t download it. Who did, nobody knows: Intuit couldn’t say, and DuGal told them, “I know it didn’t go to his house. It went somewhere else.” In June 2011, sixteen months later, I told DuGal I honestly didn’t remember who placed the order or who downloaded it, and reasoned out loud that it was probably me. The record below shows exactly what I said.

Mr. Imes said the unanswered authorization e-mail was “probably a step in the covering of his tracks that the defendant didn’t think about.” The step that would actually have covered tracks was answering Baker’s e-mail and having the account deleted. I could get into that e-mail, and I never answered it (Claim 9).

What the State already knew

On February 17, 2010, I told DuGal I bought QuickBooks Pro on Joseph’s card, “two, three, or four days after February 4th,” and why: Summer (Why). In June 2011 I told him the February 4 meeting was about getting Dan out of Joseph’s accounts (What I told them, and when).

The record

See the QuickBooks Pro order (INT_MCSTAY000004)Intuit order SBL37682110, February 8, 2010, INT_MCSTAY000004

And that only the backup disc came back. The program was a download, and it was downloaded: (pp. 37:13-25)

MS. TAYLOR: And, you know, also on that order number that you had given us, that one, it was ordered — it was an order for a download. They were going to ship out a reinstall disc. But it did come back to us as an undeliverable address.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: Really?
MS. TAYLOR: But, originally, they did order the product for a download.
DETECTIVE DUGAL: So that first item that I talked about that was sent out, came back? Does that —
MS. TAYLOR: Right, just the CD. But he actually did get the product and received — actually, I could see something else.
See the recorded call (p. 37)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 37

Once, that afternoon: (p. 39:1-4; “it’s only been downloaded once… on that day, on February 8th,” p. 39:21-24)

MS. TAYLOR: I don’t — I — honestly, I don’t know who downloaded it. But I can tell that it was loaded because it was validated that day at — that afternoon after they placed the order.
See the recorded call (p. 39)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 39

This is what I said about the download in June 2011: (recorded call, June 9, 2011, p. 15:8-20)

DUGAL: that’s where it got sent to and then there was a online download that accompanied the product CD that they sent and that was downloaded somewhere by somebody, do you remember that at all?
MERRITT: You know I honestly I don’t remember um it’s a it’s a good possibility it-it I did it I don’t know it-it depends on when it was done if it was done um sometime after the 4th it depends
DUGAL: It was after the 4th
MERRITT: Then it’s then it was probably me because I don’t think he was trying to get away from Dan and I don’t think Dan would have doing it
DUGAL: Yeah
MERRITT: so um it-it-it would have been me and but and-and if I had um if I ordered the-the QuickBooks uh I god I can’t remember whether I did or not or whether he did but
See the recorded call (June 9, 2011, p. 15)San Diego recorded call with Chase Merritt, 2011-06-09, page 15

In the same call, DuGal raised the shipping address himself, and I disagreed with him: (recorded call, June 9, 2011, p. 15:21-27)

DUGAL: What I’m afraid of it-it may not be you telling them the address what I’m afraid of is they probably referenced his original account he may never have changed his address on the QuickBooks
MERRITT: Oh I’m pretty sure he changed his address he’s-he’s pretty damn thorough
DUGAL: Yeah?
MERRITT: He’s yeah-yeah he’s pretty thorough
DUGAL: Yeah it got sent to the wrong place but I’m
See the recorded call (June 9, 2011, p. 15)San Diego recorded call with Chase Merritt, 2011-06-09, page 15

Mr. Imes argued that Joseph “would have changed the shipping address.” In 2011 I said much the same thing: Joseph was thorough, and I was pretty sure he had changed his address. DuGal, the investigator, thought the opposite: that whoever placed the order didn’t give the address at all, and QuickBooks pulled it from Joseph’s original account.

The records back DuGal. Intuit’s contact records for Joseph’s custom account still list the old San Clemente address, 328 Avenida Cabrillo (INT 000024, 000025, 000027), and that is where the order was sent (INT 000004). Another of the same records has his Fallbrook address (INT 000026). So whatever Joseph had updated, the old address was still sitting in his custom account, and that is where the order went. Nobody made that address up.

Asked when I made the call, I said I didn’t remember, and guessed it was probably before Joseph disappeared: (my interview, October 22, 2014, pp. 135:12-136:3)

DETECTIVE BACHMAN: So you said he asked you to upgrade Quick Books about two weeks prior to him going missing?
MR. MERRITT: Yeah. I think it was —
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: How long did it take for you to actually call and upgrade Quick Books?
MR. MERRITT: I don’t remember.
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: Before or after he went missing?
MR. MERRITT: Don’t remember. I’m assuming it was probably before. But it could have been directly after. I didn’t have a whole lot to do the week or two after he disappeared because I couldn’t get a hold of him, you know.
So I was probably looking for stuff to do and — I don’t know. It could have been a week before. It could have been a week after. I’m not sure.
See my interview (pp. 135-136)Interview of Chase Merritt, October 22, 2014, page 135Interview of Chase Merritt, October 22, 2014, page 136

Then Bachman told me I had called on the 8th to delete Joseph’s account. I told him I never asked for anything to be deleted on the 8th; I asked them to change it, or send him a new one: (pp. 183:6-184:25)

Read the full exchange
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: The next point that I have an issue is, you tell me that Joseph called. I’m going to tell Chase, who’s not a part of my business — you have I-Design. You’re Chase.
You told San Diego that you have your own business; right?
MR. MERRITT: Uh-huh.
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: Is that correct? I’m I-Design. I’m Chase. Joseph has his own business, Earth Inspired Products. And Chase is a worker. He’s a welder for me. Joseph takes all this business. He gets all this stuff. And he’s going to give the guy who fabricates or welds access to his Quick Books account to delete it? You’re going to tell me that, and you think that’s believable?
MR. MERRITT: What do you mean to “delete it”? Nothing was ever deleted.
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: It wasn’t deleted?
MR. MERRITT: Or even attempted to delete.
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: Okay.
MR. MERRITT: Of course not.
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: Okay. It wasn’t deleted. Okay. So you say it was ordered. And you’re telling me that Joseph ordered a new account.
MR. MERRITT: Well —
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: Joseph wanted to order a new account?
MR. MERRITT: Yeah.
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: Okay. These are the things that came up with deleted is — I’m giving you the opportunity to explain why you called Quick Books and said that you needed Joseph’s account to be deleted.
Tell me a reason — a good reason why you would call Quick Books and there would be a record of you calling Quick Books on the 8th, four days after Joseph disappeared, and that you need to cancel Quick Books?
MR. MERRITT: Cancel or change?
DETECTIVE BACHMAN: Deleted — delete.
MR. MERRITT: Never. Never asked to have anything deleted. I asked to — if it was on the 8th — you said it says on the 8th, then that’s the day it was.
But I never said — I never asked them to delete anything. I asked them to change it or — or send them — send him a new thing. And it was sent to
See my interview (pp. 183-184)Interview of Chase Merritt, October 22, 2014, page 183Interview of Chase Merritt, October 22, 2014, page 184

Fact check

  • “We know that he didn’t place that order”: I placed it, on Joseph’s card, at his request, and told DuGal so in February 2010.
  • “Joseph could have gone to the store and bought the desktop version”: he asked me to do it, and it went on his card (INT 000004).
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Claim 12 of 15

“He kept telling different stories.”

What the State said

Asked at the preliminary hearing whether I told him I never attempted to delete the QuickBooks account, Hanke said: (prelim RT 124:22-28)

Q Did you ask him about deleting the QuickBooks online account?
A Yes.
Q Did he tell you that he never attempted to delete the QuickBooks online account?
A I believe he told me — there was multiple stories. I’m sorry.
See the preliminary hearing transcript (p. 124)Preliminary hearing transcript, page 124

My answer

The core never changed: I wrote the checks, with Joseph’s permission; Joseph and I were keeping them from Dan; I bought QuickBooks Pro on his card to move his books off the internet; I called Joseph after each one. Where a detail I gave years later differed from the records, or I couldn’t remember it, it is shown on this page next to the records: who placed the order and who downloaded it, in 2011 (Claim 11); the timing of the order and the deletion question, in 2014 (Claim 11); and the name I gave (Claim 10).

What the State already knew

The table in “What I told them, and when.”

Bachman swore in his own warrant affidavit that I contacted Intuit “as he stated in his original interview with SDSO investigators,” and tried to transfer the accounts “like he stated in his interview” (Claim 8).

The record

DuGal told Intuit I hadn’t told him about any transactions after Joseph went missing. That isn’t right. I told him about the Pro order, and when I made it (above, and Why the jobs were kept from Dan and Summer). But he also said it could be harmless: (pp. 48:12-49:4)

DETECTIVE DUGAL: His phone number at that time was the one you mentioned, 909-374-0102. He lived in Rancho Cucamonga. And I interviewed him February 16th, 17th. And he didn’t talk to me at all about any transactions that occurred after the — Joseph went missing.
But it could be harmless. It could be that he didn’t remember doing that. You know what I’m saying? If Joseph — because Joseph wasn’t discovered missing — and this is part of the story I didn’t tell you yet. He went missing on February 4th. He was not reported missing until February 15th by his brother.
So I was already 11 days behind the curve.
So these transactions that we’re talking about, even though they happened after Joseph was missing, could have been business as normal for Joseph’s business partners because they didn’t know he was missing at that time — or allegedly didn’t know.
See the recorded call (pp. 48-49)Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 48Recorded call, Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011, page 49

What DuGal told QuickBooks in May 2011

Fifteen months after my notes were read aloud to him, DuGal talked with Annette Dron at QuickBooks. These are his words as I copied them for my lawyers:

He told her I was a bad guy: (Dron call, May 12, 2011, p. 5:14-22, as I copied it)

“Well, another thing is that credit card is unusual. But I know you don’t know a ton about the case. But Chase Merritt is a bad guy. It’s a business partner. But he has a criminal history.”
See my copy (Folder F, tab 9HH)My 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9HH

Listen (recording, about 3:01 to 3:30):

He told her I had never mentioned calling QuickBooks: (p. 6:9-18, as I copied it)

DUGAL: “And I’ve interviewed him a couple times, and he never mentioned calling you guys and doing this.
Because this is something that — well if I was questioning you on a missing person, wouldn’t you say, ‘Oh, my god. I just called this business, and it was after the day he was missing,’ and blah, blah, blah, blah.
Wouldn’t that seem like something you would tell a cop?”
See my copy (Folder F, tab 9II)My 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9II

Listen (recording, about 3:39 to 4:02):

And he told her what he hoped I would say: (p. 17:5-10, as I copied it)

DUGAL: “Well, I have to talk to Chase. It would be awesome if Chase said, I didn’t do it. I didn’t call. I didn’t give a number. See, then I could tell a judge, well, now, maybe somebody is using Joseph’s name, Chase’s number. Which I don’t believe, but, you know.”
See my copy (Folder F, tab 9LL)My 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9LL

Listen (recording, about 12:37 to 13:05):

The transcript of this call isn’t available to me, but the recording is. The words above are as I copied them from the transcript in 2017; the clips are from the recording.

I had mentioned it. On February 17, 2010, DuGal read my notes aloud: “Quickbooks on-line. Decide to delete and start Quickbooks Pro 2010. Credit card for purchasing Quickbooks.” His own report says I made those transactions two or three days after February 4 (What I told them, and when).

He told QuickBooks the opposite, and then said what he hoped to hear from me: “I didn’t do it. I didn’t call.” I never said that. When he called me on June 9, 2011, I didn’t deny any of it. I told him I honestly didn’t remember who placed the order, and that it was probably me (Claim 11). On June 21, 2011, he told me he had called me about the QuickBooks order and resolved it (Claim 8).

What else DuGal told her in the same call

Those three lines are not all he said. In the same call he told the QuickBooks supervisor what he could and couldn’t tell a judge:

He said it wasn’t criminal: (p. 8:12-16, as I copied it)

DUGAL: “Again, it’s not criminal. It’s just going to be, hey, Chase, why don’t — you know, tell me about this. Did he use your phone? Did you use your phone? Why would somebody say it was your phone?”
See my copy (Folder F, tab 9II)My 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9II

He said it wasn’t unusual, and Dron agreed: (pp. 9:1-10:2, as I copied it)

DUGAL: “I’ll go a step further with you because we’ve talked about it. The problem now is, the information you gave me is too logical for criminal — remember I was telling you to convince the judge I need a search warrant?”
“I have to say it’s suspicious and outside of the normal business behaviors of Joseph, Chase and Dan.
Well guess what? It’s not unusual and it’s not outside the normal business practices. See what I’m saying? So —”
DRON: “It really isn’t. But nothing looks weird to me that I can see like that we don’t have happen constantly.”
“So it’s just — it’s — it’s so common. I mean, nothing, you know, comes — you know, I did, I seriously looked for anything I could think of. It just looks normal.”
See my copy (Folder F, tab 9JJ)My 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9JJ

Listen (recording, about 6:00 to 6:52):

And he said he knew we had access: (p. 13:7-12, as I copied it)

DUGAL: “I can’t lie to a judge, I can’t play the game.
That, you know, Joseph was a private man and these guys just invaded his privacy. No, I know they had access.”
See my copy (Folder F, tab 9KK)My 2017 notes to counsel, Folder F, tab 9KK

Listen (recording, about 8:58 to 9:52):

The transcript of this call isn’t available to me, but the recording is. The words above are as I copied them from the transcript in 2017; the clips are from the recording.

So the detective who told QuickBooks I was “a bad guy” also told it, in the same call, that what Joseph, Dan and I did was “not unusual” and “not outside the normal business practices,” that the information was “too logical for criminal,” that “it’s not criminal,” and that he couldn’t tell a judge otherwise because “I know they had access.” The supervisor he was asking said “It just looks normal.” In the trial transcripts I have, the jury never heard any of what DuGal said in this call.

What DuGal told me a month later

On June 21, 2011, DuGal said the same thing to me, that QuickBooks hadn’t come up at my first interview: (recorded call, June 21, 2011, p. 30:2-6)

DUGAL: Oh okay but here’s I’ll give you an example of something that came up after the investigation that made me go God dang it is that whole uh Quick Book thing. You didn’t think about it when we first interviewed and you know why you didn’t think about it, it is relatively unimportant because the business was existing beyond the fourth of February right?
MERRITT: Oh yeah
See the recorded call (June 21, 2011, p. 30)San Diego recorded call with Chase Merritt, 2011-06-21, page 30

Later in the same call I asked him why it had taken so long, when they had Joseph’s computers. He said: (pp. 36:17-20, 37:23-26, 38:13-22)

Read the full exchange
MERRITT: I was really, really uh taken aback by the fact that the, the Quick Books issue because um y’all had the um all of Joseph’s computers and all it’s you know everything that was going on with his business um you could see where Dan and I both I’m sure did any kind of money transactions or anything like that I would, I was that’s why I was like why they had seen this
…
DUGAL: Then I also get all the phone records. Then I also get all you know not every email I’m only gonna pull the emails that fit the agenda I just told you. Then I get all the um the business records within that computer I didn’t even consider Quick Books until people started talking about Quick Books and then I contacted Quick Books themselves that’s why it comes months later
…
DUGAL: … So when you say it seems weird that it took so long to find Quick Books no it’s not weird, it’s not weird. It the way that came up was when people started to say Quick Books, Quick Books there was someone who purchased Quick Books on this date and this time then I looked at it, then I contacted Quick Books. Quick Books was very nice to me they didn’t have to answer all my questions because I didn’t have a search warrant
MERRITT: Uh-huh
DUGAL: But they did and they said hey on this date at this time um somebody with this phone number called I don’t know who it is it’s Joseph’s account here’s the phone number that was used boom it was your cell phone okay not a big deal I’ll call him. That came yeah months, a year after the fact
See the recorded call (June 21, 2011, pp. 36-38)San Diego recorded call with Chase Merritt, 2011-06-21, page 36San Diego recorded call with Chase Merritt, 2011-06-21, page 37San Diego recorded call with Chase Merritt, 2011-06-21, page 38

“You didn’t think about it when we first interviewed.” I did. QuickBooks was in the notes he read aloud to me on February 17, 2010: “Quickbooks on-line. Decide to delete and start Quickbooks Pro 2010. Credit card for purchasing Quickbooks” (What I told them, and when). I didn’t correct him on the call. I just said, “Oh yeah.”

“I didn’t even consider Quick Books until people started talking about Quick Books.” I talked to him about QuickBooks in my first interview, sixteen months earlier. And when he did look, what he found was my cell phone on the call. His words: “not a big deal I’ll call him.”

He then explained why he never got a warrant for QuickBooks: (pp. 39:26-40:8)

DUGAL: Absolutely but I have to have, I have to have a complete link to why I think it’s criminal. A judge doesn’t, doesn’t give me a carte blanche search warrant to go explore to find the criminal element I have to as an investigator have an idea as what criminal action happened so if it’s Quick Books let’s use that as the example
MERRITT: Okay but okay go ahead
DUGAL: If it was a problem with Quick Books and Joey was abducted because somebody did something in his business account on Quick Books and you had told me in our first interview you need to look at this Quick Books thing because Joey told me that this guy from Mexico was gonna kill him because he was doing something in Quick Books. I guarantee you I could get a search warrant to go into Quick Books for that but that’s not what I heard, that’s not what anybody told me, that doesn’t fit what’s been
See the recorded call (June 21, 2011, pp. 39-40)San Diego recorded call with Chase Merritt, 2011-06-21, page 39San Diego recorded call with Chase Merritt, 2011-06-21, page 40

In June 2011, with my QuickBooks calls in front of him, the detective who had looked into them told me he had nothing that tied QuickBooks to any crime, nothing a judge would give him a warrant for. Three years later San Bernardino called the same calls a cover-up.

Fact check

  • Hanke told me in 2014 that I never told San Diego I wrote checks and signed Joseph’s name (interview pp. 142-143, Claim 4). My February 17, 2010 notes, as DuGal reported them, included “went over when to write the checks,” and five days later, on speakerphone, I added up for him what had been taken out (What I told them, and when).
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Claim 13 of 15

“He used short calls to erase his messages from Joseph’s voicemail.”

What the State said

This is what the State’s detectives made of those calls (case summary, Det. Bachman, Bates 000020-000021):

“Detectives noticed of the 11 calls from Merritt to Joseph, aside from one 37 second call, all additional calls ranged from 52 seconds to 2 minutes 3 seconds. This was significant to detectives because when they listened to voicemails from Joseph’s cell phone; all the voicemails were left after the family was reported missing on February 15, 2010. Of the 25- voicemail messages, no voicemails in the mailbox were from Merritt, leading detectives to believe Merritt was listening to and deleting Joseph’s voicemail message by accessing his mailbox during the calls made to his phone.”
See the State’s case summary (Bates 000020, 000021)Case summary, Bates 000020Case summary, Bates 000021

My answer

The State’s detectives said I used these short calls to get into Joseph’s voicemail and erase my messages. I couldn’t have. As I knew it, Joseph’s voicemail was Google’s, with its own phone number. The only ways in were from his own phone or by calling that Google number. Calling his cell phone didn’t open it. My phone record never shows that number (Exhibit 794).

They also said none of the 25 messages in his mailbox were from me. That’s because all 25 were left after the family was reported missing on February 15, and my last call to Joseph was on February 9 (item 9179). Every message left before the 15th was gone, not just mine but the ones from family and friends too. The 9th is the date the State itself gives for when family and friends became concerned and started trying to reach Joseph by phone. Someone had cleared them.

I believe Dan Kavanaugh is the one who listened to and erased Joseph’s messages. His phone record shows him calling Joseph’s Google voicemail number 37 times from February 5 to February 18, yet detectives never once confronted him with it (below).

What the State already knew

I told DuGal in June 2011 that I would “just about bet anything” I left Joseph a message whenever I did anything with QuickBooks or money, and that “you’ll find a lot of messages from me” (What I told them, and when).

The record

I would not have written a check without letting Joseph know it had been done, at least by voicemail. This is what happened after each check, with the call that followed it on my AT&T record, Exhibit 794. Joseph’s cell phone was (949) 295-7451.

  • February 1: two $2,500 checks to me were created in QuickBooks, printed and deleted, and neither was cashed. Mr. Imes put the deletions at 12:47 and 12:52 p.m. At 1:03 p.m. Joseph called me, and we talked for 9 minutes 56 seconds. (Bates 000022; RT 8190:24-25; item 8865)
  • February 2: I wrote the $2,495 check at about 11:30 a.m. and deleted it. At 11:46 a.m. I called Joseph to let him know: 3 minutes 24 seconds. Joseph’s record shows him on another call then, so it would have gone to his voicemail. (item 8924; Bates 005511)
  • February 5: starting just after noon, I wrote checks for $4,500, $6,505 and $2,350 to me and $1,650 and $250 to Metro, all dated February 4, and deleted them. The $6,505 check was never cashed. At 12:49 p.m. I called Joseph and left him a message: 53 seconds. (Bates 000023-000024; item 9088)
  • February 8: I wrote the $6,500 check at 2:20 p.m. and deleted it at 2:25. I was on the phone with QuickBooks from 3:11 to about 4:58. At 5:01 p.m. I called Joseph and left him a message: 52 seconds. (Bates 000024; activity log; items 9159, 9163)
  • February 9: after my second call to QuickBooks, which ended about 8:17 a.m., I called Joseph at 8:56 a.m. (2 minutes 3 seconds), 9:17 (55 seconds), 12:22 p.m. (1 minute 4 seconds) and 1:07 p.m. (37 seconds). (items 9167-9179)
See Exhibit 794 (AT&T pages 362, 365, 371, 374, 375)Exhibit 794, AT&T page 362Exhibit 794, AT&T page 365Exhibit 794, AT&T page 371Exhibit 794, AT&T page 374Exhibit 794, AT&T page 375
See the State’s case summary (Bates 000022, 000023, 000024)Case summary, Bates 000022Case summary, Bates 000023Case summary, Bates 000024

The February 1 call was a conversation of nearly 10 minutes; the February 2 call, just over 3 minutes, came while Joseph was on another call. The February 5 and 8 calls were under a minute, which is about the length of a message. On February 9 they ran from 37 seconds to just over 2 minutes.

See what I gave counsel: “Messages left after checks” and the voicemail (Folder D, pages 39, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80)Folder D, page 39Folder D, page 76Folder D, page 77Folder D, page 78Folder D, page 79Folder D, page 80

Who called Joseph’s voicemail number

Joseph’s voicemail was a Google Voice number, 805-637-7243. His own phone record shows it: every time he checked his messages, his phone called that number, listed as “VM Retrieval” (Joseph’s T-Mobile record, Bates 005482). His last check was at 4:31 p.m. on February 4 (Bates 005515). That number never appears on my phone record (Exhibit 794).

See Joseph’s T-Mobile record (Bates 005482, 005515)Joseph McStay T-Mobile record, Bates 005482Joseph McStay T-Mobile record, Bates 005515

It appears on Dan’s phone record 40 times between February 2 and February 18, 2010, as “0111805637724” (the statement’s column cuts off the last digit). Three of those calls were before the family disappeared: February 2 at 3:39 p.m., February 3 at 9:07 a.m., and February 4 at 4:30 p.m. Those three were made while Joseph was still here, when he was worried that Dan was getting into everything of his. McCargar told Joseph’s mother that Joseph was trying to buy Dan out “due to Dan having total control of Joseph’s accounts and website” (Bates 001819, under Why the jobs were kept from Dan and Summer). Joseph wasn’t being paranoid: Dan was calling his voicemail. The other 37 were from February 5 through February 18, almost all of them one or two minutes long. (Dan Kavanaugh’s T-Mobile statement for (858) 717-6508, dated February 19, 2010, pp. 13-27.)

Dan was in Hawaii, and his statement lists times two hours behind California: his February 3 call to Joseph at 3:58 p.m. on his statement shows on Joseph’s record at 5:57 p.m. So his February 4 call to the voicemail number, 4:30 p.m. on his statement, was about 6:30 p.m. California time. The times below are as his statement lists them.

Again and again he called Joseph’s cell and the voicemail number within a minute or two of each other: February 7 at 9:41 and 9:42 a.m.; February 9 at 2:35 and 2:36 a.m., at 10:36 a.m., at 2:48 p.m., and at 8:39 and 8:41 p.m. On February 17, two days after the family was reported missing, he called the voicemail number five times: 10:16 a.m., and 8:19, 9:11, 9:13 and 9:15 p.m.

In 2014 Dan gave a reason he might call that number: (Kavanaugh interview, September 20, 2014, p. 99:3-9)

MR. KAVANAUGH: Honestly, I don’t know if I even had their house line number, unless — you know what he did is, he had a Google voice number that we maintained on the site. And we had simultaneous rings. So you could put a house number or a cell phone number. And then whatever one you’re at, you’d pick it up. It goes to that.
See the Kavanaugh interview (September 20, 2014, p. 99)Interview of Dan Kavanaugh, September 20, 2014, page 99

That was his explanation four and a half years later, and it doesn’t fit the number. You don’t call someone’s voicemail number to reach them or to leave a message. On Joseph’s own record, every call to it is listed as “VM Retrieval”: it is the number for listening to messages and erasing them. That is what I believe Dan was doing. From February 5 on, Dan is the only one in the phone records I have who called it, and when detectives listened, every message left before February 15 was gone (Bates 000020-000021).

Summer’s phone called the number once, on January 21, also listed as “VM Retrieval.” She was Joseph’s wife, on the same carrier and plan. That is what you would expect.

See Dan Kavanaugh’s phone record (February 2-18, 2010, pages 13-27)Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 13 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 14 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 15 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 16 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 17 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 18 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 19 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 20 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 21 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 22 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 23 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 24 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 25 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 26 of 44Dan Kavanaugh T-Mobile statement, February 19, 2010, page 27 of 44

The record shows the calls, not what Dan did on them. But this number was Joseph’s voicemail, not his phone. Joseph’s own record lists every call he made to it as “VM Retrieval.” From February 5 on, Dan called it 37 times in 14 days.

The State’s detectives said someone erased Joseph’s messages, and pointed at my short calls to his cell, which can’t open his voicemail. The only phone record I have seen that shows the voicemail number, over and over, is Dan’s.

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Claim 14 of 15

“Hanke could only look at a locked copy, and had to screenshot every page.”

What the State said

This is how Hanke described the “clones” to the jury on direct examination: (RT 4055:16-4056:21, February 14, 2019)

Q Okay. Now, additionally, as part of your investigation, did you actually receive some clones of accounts belonging to Earth Inspired Products?
A That’s correct.
Q And can you tell us how you actually received those clones?
A Absolutely. I wrote — authored a search warrant that was signed and I sent a copy of the search warrant to Intuit, QuickBooks. I was contacted by a legal team member who provided me a login and password, which had two cloned accounts involving the business — two business accounts of Earth Inspired Products.
Q Okay. And let’s talk a little bit about once you received those clones, tell us what — what they looked like?
A So normally — and I will explain. Normally, records are given on a CD. If I write a request of a bank, may get a stack of records or a file or something like that. In this case, it wasn’t. It was a logon to QuickBooks website from a desktop computer. Once I logged on, it had links — copied cloned links that I was not able to modify or change in any way. But I had to view the dashboard and each screen I had to screenshot.
So I screenshot what was contained in those files. So the vendors, the transactions, the checks, the audit logs. I went through each account and took screenshots of both.
Q Okay. So when you actually log in, did they provide you with a particular username and password?
A They did. They provided me with a username. I believe I set up my own password. But the username they provided me was Detective Dan Hanke.
Q Okay. So after you log in, tell us what you see on the screen?
A So after I log in, it says user, Detective Dan Hanke, there’s an audit log where it shows sign ins and sign outs. They did that so it didn’t appear that somebody else was accessing the account. They wanted to be very clear that it was my — myself accessing the account during the investigation.
See the trial transcript (RT 4055-4056, Det. Hanke)Trial transcript, page 4055Trial transcript, page 4056

And that there was no way to copy it, so he made screenshots of every page: (RT 4057:10-4058:4)

Q Okay. And so you are actually seeing data that the account holder would see; is that right?
A Yes. They gave me access as I was a QuickBook user, and I saw the dashboard, how it would look for the user.
Q Okay. Were you able to modify those accounts in any way?
A No, I was not able to.
Q Could you copy the accounts to be able to go through them on a separate CD?
A No, there was no way to copy it. It was — it was an online subscription, so there was no way to copy data and transfer it. So like I said, I had to go through and take out — snipping — snipping tool, and I did screenshots.
Q How many pages are we talking about?
A A lot, over a thousand.
Q So there was two accounts; correct?
A That’s correct.
Q Okay. So when you say over a thousand, was that for one account or for both?
A I believe one account had almost 900 pages, and the other one had a few hundred pages. I don’t recall exactly how many.
Q Okay. So you literally had to take a tool and do a snipping tool, make a screenshot of that, and print out every single page?
A Yes.
See the trial transcript (RT 4057-4058, Det. Hanke)Trial transcript, page 4057Trial transcript, page 4058

My answer

Hanke’s testimony that he had to screenshot every page is not true. Every one of his QuickBooks exhibits that I have was printed from a browser, not snipped, and I believe they were printed in bulk from an active site. I believe he said it because if he admitted he was working in a live copy, he would have to admit a live copy could be edited. If he could run reports in it on command, he had the access to change what was in it. His own report, written ten days before he interviewed Baker, says he printed copies of the reports and used screenshots only to help write the report (Bates 007451, below).

That Baker could see Hanke’s 2014 access in Intuit’s system is not my reasoning. It is in the interview, in Hanke’s own words: “that’s going to be me.”

What the State already knew

Intuit’s own investigator testified the copy couldn’t be changed “as long as it remains” canceled, that a change would show in the audit log, and that he had “no idea what was done” in it after the log was printed (below).

The record

His own report, dated October 14, 2014, says something else again: the clones let him “view and print records,” he “printed copies of the reports,” and he used screenshots only “to assist the writing of this report”: (Bates 007451)

“On Friday, September 26, 2014, I received an email from QuickBooks Online to add me as a user on two of Joseph’s accounts. QuickBooks authorized me to log in as user “Detective Dan Hanke.” QuickBooks cloned both accounts which allowed me to view and print records. The accounts were cloned copies of Joseph’s original accounts. I was not able to modify the records in any way. I printed copies of the reports, and later placed them onto an evidence disk. I used screen shots to assist the writing of this report.”
See Det. Hanke’s QuickBooks report (Bates 007451)Det. Hanke QuickBooks report, October 14, 2014, Bates 007451

At the preliminary hearing, he had said something different: he could view and print the records: (prelim RT 101:5-10)

Q How did you receive access to these records from Intuit?
A Intuit cloned Joseph’s accounts and made me an authorized user on the accounts. It was an online-based account, so I signed in using my information, and I could view Joseph’s account. I couldn’t alter it. I couldn’t change it or modify it. I could view and print the records, only.
See the preliminary hearing transcript (p. 101)Preliminary hearing transcript, page 101

What his exhibits show

A screenshot made with a snipping tool is a picture of part of the screen. It has no page header, no web address and no print date. Hanke’s QuickBooks exhibits have all three, in the places a web browser puts them when it prints a page:

  • The audit histories of the checks, Exhibits 425, 426, 427 and 429: each page has the browser’s header, “Audit Trail ID … Page 1 of 1,” and its footer, the web address of the QuickBooks Online page, “https://qbo.intuit.com/c29/v78.347/1886106241/lists/audit/auditdetail?f_elementid=…,” and the print date, 10/13/2014. Exhibit 425 is shown below.
  • The activity log of the custom account, “All activities by all users, From: 01/01/2001 To: 10/13/2014”: the footer is the web address of the page, “https://qbo.intuit.com/c29/v78.347/1886106241/lists/audit?f_audit_userid=-2…,” printed 10/13/2014.
  • The vendor list from the main account (Exhibit 421, as I have it): the footer is “https://qbo.intuit.com/qbo29/reports/8251610321/execute?rptid=8251610321-VEND_CO…,” printed 10/5/2014. “Execute” is a report being run on command.
  • Intuit’s own records of the two accounts, Exhibits 808 and 809, were printed from Intuit’s live administrative page, “company_dump_backend,” on 9/4/2014 (INT 000047-54).
See Exhibit 425 (check audit history, ID 159)Exhibit 425, QuickBooks audit trail ID 159, printed 10/13/2014
See the activity log, custom account (page 1 of 5)QuickBooks activity log, custom account, page 1 of 5, printed 10/13/2014
See the vendor list (Exhibit 421)Exhibit 421, vendor contact list, printed 10/5/2014

Exhibit 425 is ID 159: check 4093, $2,500, “deposit,” added at 12:34 p.m. on February 1 and deleted at 12:52 by the user “Joseph McStay.”

“That’s going to be me”

When Hanke interviewed Baker, Baker said he believed the record had been accessed in 2014 and would have to look up the date. Hanke told him that was him, and that the history would show “Joseph McStay” authorizing a new user, Detective Dan Hanke. Baker offered to check for activity after February 4. Hanke said it wouldn’t be necessary: (Baker interview, October 24, 2014, pp. 34:9-35:22)

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MR. BAKER: I do believe that that record of the QuickBooks accounts are still on our system. And it — I don’t know if it was the police department or maybe someone else that had maybe requested access into this. But somehow or another in this particular year, in the year 2014 — and I’d have to go back and look at the records to find out the date — but I do believe this record has been accessed —
DETECTIVE HANKE: Yeah. And that’s going to be me.
MR. BAKER: — just from our system.
DETECTIVE HANKE: It’s going to me. When you look — when you look in the activity ID, they actually —
MR. BAKER: Yeah.
DETECTIVE HANKE: They actually cloned the account per my search warrant. They cloned the account and actually gave me access to go in and look at the account. So that’s probably me. I believe in either August or September. So when you actually look at the ID or the —
MR. BAKER: Yeah.
DETECTIVE HANKE: — when you go back through the history, it shows Joseph McStay authorizing another user. And then you’ll see the other user is Detective Dan Hanke. So that’s — that’s kind of how we did that to try to — obviously, Joseph McStay was murdered. He’s not accessing the account in 2014, you know. So we were trying to keep —
MR. BAKER: Yeah.
DETECTIVE HANKE: — a good kind of record trail.
So anything else —
MR. BAKER: And also — I can also check to see if there was any activity in that account after the 4th of February. And I don’t know if that’s something that you possibly did it when you cloned the account.
DETECTIVE HANKE: Yeah. I — I have all that. So that — that won’t be necessary. I have all the information that I need, as far as that goes.
See the Baker interview (pp. 34-35)Interview of Ryan Baker, October 24, 2014, page 34Interview of Ryan Baker, October 24, 2014, page 35

The activity log shows what Hanke described. On September 26, 2014, “Joseph McStay” signed in, added the user “Detective Dan Hanke,” and sent him an e-mail invitation. Hanke then signed in on September 27, October 5 (three times), October 7 and October 13, 2014, the day the log and the audit pages were printed (activity log, page 1).

So entries made in 2014 were recorded under Joseph’s name. Hanke agreed the name in the log doesn’t tell you who was at the computer: (RT 4066:1-12)

Q And when you say “user, Joseph McStay,” you don’t know who is behind the computer; right?
A I don’t.
Q Okay. It just automatically populates that account as Joseph McStay if somebody signed in that way?
A If someone logged into the account, it shows Joseph McStay. You will see later where I logged in as Detective Dan Hanke.
Q Okay. We can actually take a look at that right now just to show the difference. Is this what you are referring to, page 1 of the exhibit?
A Yes. On September 26th, 2014, Intuit added user Detective Dan Hanke and then sent me an e-mail invitation to that account.
See the trial transcript (RT 4066, Det. Hanke)Trial transcript, page 4066

What Intuit said about the copy

Mike West testified that the cloning script cancels the account so it can’t be modified: (RT 3975:13-26)

Q AND DOES QUICKBOOKS HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY CLONE AN ACCOUNT?
A YES.
Q AND CAN YOU TELL US HOW THAT WORKS?
A ONCE A REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE, USUALLY THROUGH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, REQUEST IS SENT TO A SOFTWARE ENGINEER, AN OPERATIONS ENGINEER, AND THEY RUN A SCRIPT OF A PRERECORDED SET OF INSTRUCTIONS. THEY TELL THE SCRIPT WHAT THE COMPANY I.D. IS AND WHO THE CLONE WILL BE ACCESSED BY, AND THE SYSTEM WILL CREATE A UNIQUE USER NAME FOR THAT NEW USER AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SCRIPT. THE SCRIPT CANCELS THE ACCOUNT. SO IT COPIES ALL OF THE RECORDS, CANCELS THE ACCOUNT SO NO MODIFICATIONS CAN BE MADE AND THEN ALSO CANCELS ANY RECURRING TRANSACTIONS.
See the trial transcript (RT 3975, Mike West)Trial transcript, page 3975

Asked by Ms. Rodriguez whether Hanke could print or screenshot documents from the copy, Intuit’s own witness said he could: (RT 3980:26-3981:2)

Q OKAY. AND ONE LAST QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO THE CLONES THAT WERE PROVIDED TO DETECTIVE HANKE, IS HE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PRINT UP OR SCREEN SHOT SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS FROM THERE?
A I BELIEVE HE IS.
See the trial transcript (RT 3980, 3981)Trial transcript, page 3980, February 13, 2019Trial transcript, page 3981, February 13, 2019

When the court then asked him about the clone, West added that he had not looked at that particular clone himself (RT 3981:23). His answer is about what a clone allows, not about this one.

But only “as long as it remains” canceled: (RT 3978:13-20)

Q OKAY. AND AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, THAT CLONED ACCOUNT CAN’T BE MODIFIED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BY DETECTIVE HANKE IN ANY WAY; IS THAT RIGHT?
A AS LONG AS IT REMAINS IN THE CANCELED DATE. IF IT WAS CHANGED, IT WOULD ALSO BE REFLECTED IN THE AUDIT LOG.
Q AND DO YOU SEE ANYTHING ON THIS AUDIT LOG THAT WOULD REFLECT THAT?
A NO, I DO NOT.
See the trial transcript (RT 3978, Mike West)Trial transcript, page 3978

And he had no idea what was done in it after the log was printed: (RT 3990:15-23)

Q OKAY. SO THERE WAS — THERE WAS NO ACTIVITY AFTER OCTOBER 13, 2014, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THIS AUDIT LOG?
A FROM THAT PRINTED LOG. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WAS DONE AFTER THIS DATE IN THE CLONE.
Q OKAY. THAT’S WHAT I WAS — THAT’S WHAT I — THAT’S A BETTER QUESTION.
YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT WAS DONE IN THE CLONE AFTER THIS DATE; CORRECT?
A I DON’T, NO.
See the trial transcript (RT 3990, Mike West)Trial transcript, page 3990

Fact check

  • At trial: “each screen I had to screenshot,” “there was no way to copy it,” and “print out every single page? A Yes” (RT 4056-4058). His own report: “I printed copies of the reports… I used screen shots to assist the writing of this report” (Bates 007451). At the preliminary hearing: “I could view and print the records” (prelim RT 101).
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Who’s who

  • Joseph McStay: owner of Earth Inspired Products (EIP).
  • Me, Chase Merritt: I designed and built the custom waterfalls.
  • Dan Kavanaugh: Joseph’s partner in EIP. He ran the website.
  • Summer McStay: Joseph’s wife.
  • Metro Sheet Metal, Azusa (Dave Sequeida Sr.): fabricated the sheet metal portion of the fountains.
  • Susan Blake: Joseph’s mother.
  • McGyver McCargar: a family friend who was painting at the McStay house.
  • Rahage Trading, Riyadh (paid through Kocache Enterprises): the Saudi customer.
  • MW Mitchell Construction: the Paul Mitchell job.
  • Intuit: the company that makes QuickBooks. Joseph had two QuickBooks Online accounts: the main one (contact@earthinspiredproducts.com) and the custom one for the jobs he and I did (custom@earthinspiredproducts.com).
  • Shawn Augenstein: the Intuit representative on the February 8, 2010 case. The trial transcript spells him “Augustine,” and Baker’s interview “Odgenstine.”
  • Ryan Baker: the Intuit representative who took the February 9, 2010 call. He testified by video.
  • Mike West: an Intuit investigator who testified about the account records.
  • Annette Dron and Janet Taylor: Intuit employees who spoke with Det. DuGal in 2011. Dron testified for the defense on April 16, 2019.
  • Det. Troy DuGal: San Diego Sheriff’s Department, 2010-2011.
  • Dets. Eddie Bachman, Dan Hanke and R. Smith: San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department, 2014. Det. Hanke handled the QuickBooks records.
  • Mr. Daugherty, Mr. Imes and Ms. Rodriguez: the prosecutors.
  • James McGee and Rajan Maline: my lawyers at trial. Mr. Terrell: my lawyer at the preliminary hearing.
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The checks

As the State’s own case summary lists them (Det. Bachman, Bates 000022-000024), with the check numbers from the State’s check lists (Bates 007415, 007417):

  • February 1: two checks to me, $2,500 each, memo “deposit” (#4092, #4093). Printed and deleted. Never given to me, never cashed.
  • February 2: a check to me for $2,495, memo “deposit sa 1001” (#4240, dated February 2). I cashed it February 2 at Union Bank. (A $0.00 check was also created and printed; it was not cashed.)
  • February 4, 7:59 p.m.: a check to me for $4,000, memo “paul mitchell.” Never printed; deleted at 8:05 p.m. Two print jobs were sent that night, and nothing readable was recovered from them (RT 3941-3942). Never negotiated.
  • February 5, dated February 4: to me, $4,500, “paul mitchell” (#4237). Cashed February 5 at Union Bank.
  • February 5, dated February 4: to Metro Sheet Metal, $1,650, “misc manufacture” (#4236), and $250, “copper” (#4238). Metro cashed them March 5.
  • February 5, dated February 4: to me, $6,505, “balance sa (1001).” Not cashed.
  • February 5, dated February 4: to me, $2,350, “lighting install sa (1001)” (#4242). Deposited February 5 at Bank of America. (The State’s summary first lists it as $2,300.50; the check was $2,350.00, as the summary itself later says and the bank report and check list show.)
  • February 8, dated February 4: to me, $6,500, “saudi arabia final” (#4241). Deposited February 9 at Bank of America.

Much of the money I received went on to Metro and into the two jobs. “Where the money went,” under Claim 15, shows where it went.

See the State’s case summary (Bates 000022, 000023, 000024)Case summary, Bates 000022Case summary, Bates 000023Case summary, Bates 000024
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Exhibits and terms

  • RT: the trial transcript (reporter’s transcript). “RT 7025:17-18” means page 7025, lines 17 to 18.
  • Bates number: the page number stamped on each page of the discovery the State turned over.
  • Exhibit 794: my AT&T phone record, February 2009 to February 2010.
  • Joseph’s T-Mobile record: T-Mobile’s subpoena response to Det. DuGal, February 24, 2010 (Bates 005482, 005509-005512 and 005515 on this page).
  • Exhibits 1115 and 1123: the defense accountant’s flow-of-money charts for the Saudi and Paul Mitchell jobs. Both were shown to the jury. 1123 was shown, with boxes ordered removed, as Exhibit 1133.
  • Exhibit 740: Metro Sheet Metal’s statement of March 1, 2010. The court kept it out, except that the jury heard $3,450 was still due.
  • Exhibit 419: Joseph’s e-mail to me of February 1, 2010.
  • Exhibit 990: my e-mail to Susan Blake from Riyadh.
  • Folder D: my notes on the checks, given to James McGee October 16, 2017.
  • Exhibit 794 items 9150-9179: my calls on February 8 and 9, 2010 (AT&T pages 374-375).
  • INT_MCSTAY (INT) numbers: the pages Intuit produced to San Bernardino under the search warrant. Exhibits 808 and 809 are INT 000047-49 (custom account) and INT 000050-54 (main account).
  • The custom account: Joseph’s second QuickBooks Online account, custom@earthinspiredproducts.com. The main account: contact@earthinspiredproducts.com.
  • Activity log: the custom account’s “All activities by all users” log, printed October 13, 2014.
  • MMA: master administrator, the one user who can close or delete a QuickBooks Online company.
  • Prelim RT: the preliminary hearing transcript.
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Sources

  • Trial transcript, People v. Merritt, San Bernardino County Superior Court, Case No. FVI1404194 (RT): Sequeida Jr. 2846; Blake 4995 (court), 5512-5514, 5541-5542; exhibit rulings 7011-7026 (April 29, 2019); defense accountant 7080-7086; Det. DuGal 2475, 2482-2483, 2521; Annette Dron 6240-6281 (April 16, 2019); Jan. 31, 2019 hearing 3627-3640; Ryan Baker 3739-3780 (Feb. 6, 2019); Mike West 3975-3996 (Feb. 13, 2019); Det. Hanke 4054-4066 (Feb. 14, 2019); closing arguments 8190-8225 (Imes), 8420-8430 and 8448 (Rodriguez).
  • San Diego Sheriff’s Department: interview of Daniel Kavanaugh, 2-22-10 #2 (pp. 18-24); DuGal follow-up report on my interview of February 17, 2010 (Bates 001673-001675), and the interview transcript (pp. 15, 28, 31).
  • San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department: bank report, Det. R. Smith, October 27, 2014 (Bates 007446-007448); case summary; interviews of Susan Blake (August 13, 2014) and Dave Sequeida Sr. (September 30, 2014); my interview (October 22, 2014).
  • Trial exhibits: 794 (my AT&T record), 990 (my e-mail to Susan Blake from Riyadh), 1115 (Saudi flow of money, shown to the jury), 1123 (Paul Mitchell flow of money; shown to the jury, modified, as 1133), 740 (Metro’s March 1, 2010 statement), 419 (Joseph’s e-mail of February 1, 2010).
  • My handwritten pages for Susan Blake, March 17, 2010; my photos from Saudi Arabia; the Rahage Trading purchase-order e-mail.
  • Intuit records, INT_MCSTAY000004-000054; the custom account activity log and check audit histories (Exhibits 421, 425, 426, 427, 429).
  • San Bernardino: search warrant to Intuit sworn August 21, 2014; Det. Hanke’s reports (Bates 000589; 007467-007470) and the interview of Ryan Baker, October 24, 2014; interview of Dan Kavanaugh, September 20, 2014; preliminary hearing testimony of Det. Hanke (pp. 101-124).
  • San Diego: recorded calls with me, June 9 and June 21, 2011, and DuGal’s follow-up report on me (pp. 23-24); Det. Hillen’s report on Susan Blake (Bates 001818-001819); recorded call between Det. DuGal and Intuit, May 11, 2011; recorded calls with Annette Dron, May 12, 2011 (audio; my 2017 handwritten copy of the transcript) and May 24, 2011 (audio); my interview of February 17, 2010 (pp. 15-16, 31).
  • My notes on the checks (Folder D), given to James McGee October 16, 2017.
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Part 3 of 4

  1. The Checks, QuickBooks, and the Motive
  2. The Checks (Claims 1-7)
  3. The QuickBooks Calls (Claims 8-14) (you are here)
  4. The Money (Claim 15)
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